Bernie now dictating to Hillary how to pick her VP

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

As somebody who's backed Bernie since May of 2015, he should let the presumptive nominee do what she wants.

This. In fact Hillary should pick a mainstreamer like Booker or Kaine or Hickenlooper.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I look forward to seeing Jfern's reaction when Hillary wins California.

Agree with Raphael above.

Kind of the problem that that portion of the party thinks it speaks and reflects a bigger proportion of the electorate than it actually does.

Okay! Let's keep thinking that way.

Boy do I love Unity.

Um... it's true. But I'm all for getting together, and I've been calling for Hillary to pick someone from the Democratic left, but not someone who is going to alienate the middle, which is where elections are still decided. We're at a time when the party bases are shifting further from the middle, we can't pretend that isn't the case. We're fortunate however, that (to paraphrase Maher) the GOP has shifted into the psychiatric ward.

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.

In a general election, while Bernie would continue to do well with Sawx-type independents who believe that the democratic party has abandoned "real leftism", he would see his numbers fall off dramatically with the independents who actually decide elections, the ones whose ideologies lie between the two major parties. The attack ads against Sanders, which have never been run because VT is socialist and the rest of the nation had no reason to care about him before 2015, write themselves. "Socialism! Isolationism! Destruction of the Health Care Industry!" His current 10 or 12 point lead against TRUMP? It would evaporate to a two or three point lead at most overnight, pretty much literally.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.

In a general election, while Bernie would continue to do well with Sawx-type independents who believe that the democratic party has abandoned "real leftism", he would see his numbers fall off dramatically with the independents who actually decide elections, the ones whose ideologies lie between the two major parties. The attack ads against Sanders, which have never been run because VT is socialist and the rest of the nation had no reason to care about him before 2015, write themselves. "Socialism! Isolationism! Destruction of the Health Care Industry!" His current 10 or 12 point lead against TRUMP? It would evaporate to a two or three point lead at most overnight, pretty much literally.

You've bought in way too much to the myth of the centrist swing voter who votes for the most centrist candidate. People know Bernie is a democratic socialist, and he's polling much better and has much better favorables than unethical lying Hillary. And sure, I wasn't going to vote for her anyways, but the further to the right Hillary goes, the more Bernie people she will lose.

Ultimately, even if they hold their nose in the voting booth, 85% or so of Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary, because the alternative is well, a literal fascist. The other 15% or so that vote for Stein, Johnson, TRUMP, or stay home probably didn't vote for Obama either so who cares.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If you literally think Hillary is a fascist, you need to see a therapist.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Fascism is defined as: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Hillary:

Nationalistic - Yep.
Authoritarian - Hmmm.....you can make the argument, I guess.
Right-Wing - LOL No

TRUMP:

Nationalistic - Yep.
Authoritarian - Yep.
Right-Wing - Yep.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Crooked Hillary must pick Warren.