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Shameless Lefty Hack
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« on: May 29, 2016, 06:42:41 PM »

Mmmm, gotta love OPs like these.

I love the smell of Unity in the morning.
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2016, 06:46:43 PM »

As somebody who's backed Bernie since May of 2015, he should let the presumptive nominee do what she wants.

This. In fact Hillary should pick a mainstreamer like Booker or Kaine or Hickenlooper.

Best tactic to get a Trump presidency 10/10

Yup.

Turns out you need the WHOLE party's vote to win, and a significant portion of the party has said it doesn't want a mainstreamer.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2016, 07:33:21 PM »

Agree with Raphael above.

Kind of the problem that that portion of the party thinks it speaks and reflects a bigger proportion of the electorate than it actually does.

Okay! Let's keep thinking that way.

Boy do I love Unity.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 03:58:25 AM »

Gorsh, all of this talk about moderate independents while Sanders and Trump are raking in Indy votes. I too enjoyed August 2015, but it's about time to leave it, eh?

In any case, I think it's silly to think that concessions shouldn't be made to a candidate who has 45% of pledged delegates so far (IIRC), or that Bernie is an EVIL, SELFISH, OH SO WRONG person for demanding them. This was/is (respect, Cali) at least the second most contested Dem primary since the modern system came about, second only to when Clinton got Secretary of State as a condition of her surrender.

Establishment Dems need to realize that we're here to stay, and they need us in their tent. And that's just the way it is. Unless you want Trump to be President. Does the establishment want a President Trump on its hands?! It would be just awful if the establishment didn't do *everything * in its power to prevent President Trump. (see what I did there?)
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 04:20:53 AM »

I see.

Did Clinton only stay in through June in '08 because she was racist?
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 04:30:54 AM »

I dunno, he seems to have a pretty good shot at changing the party platform and maybe the next nominating process.

Which, ya know, it's been about since basically March 15.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 02:01:18 PM »

Can you imagine how unimaginably pissed the Sandernistas would be had Hillary behaved this way towards Obama in 2008? The double standard is sickening. It's time to remove this thorn from our side known as Bernie Sanders and his unhinged bohemian supporters. We've tolerated their immature tactics and shenanigans for far too long. Of course, Bernie cares as much about party unity as I care as much as to how jfern is going to spin this post.

Whether or not the hammer comes down will depend on his actions after June 7th. But yeah, so many of the Bernie people have no sense of context. Hillary and her supporters were treated FAR worse in 2008 despite her doing much better. Bernie has been treated with kid gloves, by both Hillary's campaign and the Democratic establishment.

Eh.

It's because Sanders is pushing an ideological difference within the party, while Clinton was going on purely because of ego/to secure a posting in the Obama administration. The Establishment isn't being nice, they just know that if they come down on Bernie his supporters will stay home. It's good politics for them to back off, but it's just as good politics for Bernie to keep pushing as far as that will take the progs within the party.

As for Birkenstock's comment about Bohemians:

Oh yeah
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/upshot/bernie-sanders-is-making-surprising-gains-with-less-affluent-whites.html

We're a bunch of Bohemian leftists alright

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/upshot/iowas-electoral-breakdown-and-the-democratic-divide.html?_r=0

Just sitting around sipping our expensive wine

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144804/bernie-sanders-oklahoma
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