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jfern
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« on: May 29, 2016, 11:33:29 PM »

How dare someone not drop out before I get to vote? How dare they!
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jfern
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2016, 11:40:19 PM »

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.
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jfern
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E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 12:14:38 AM »

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.

In a general election, while Bernie would continue to do well with Sawx-type independents who believe that the democratic party has abandoned "real leftism", he would see his numbers fall off dramatically with the independents who actually decide elections, the ones whose ideologies lie between the two major parties. The attack ads against Sanders, which have never been run because VT is socialist and the rest of the nation had no reason to care about him before 2015, write themselves. "Socialism! Isolationism! Destruction of the Health Care Industry!" His current 10 or 12 point lead against TRUMP? It would evaporate to a two or three point lead at most overnight, pretty much literally.

You've bought in way too much to the myth of the centrist swing voter who votes for the most centrist candidate. People know Bernie is a democratic socialist, and he's polling much better and has much better favorables than unethical lying Hillary. And sure, I wasn't going to vote for her anyways, but the further to the right Hillary goes, the more Bernie people she will lose.
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jfern
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Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 12:24:45 AM »

Who can you think of that rings "good enough" with Sanders Supporters but wouldn't alienate the middle? Warren and Brown would alienate the middle. Sanders himself is probably fine with Kaine or Booker, but his supporters probably aren't. Names that come to mind are the Castros - but only because they're unknown and therefore have few enemies - and Al Franken, who doesn't bring in a single voter Hillary wouldn't get otherwise.

Bernie polls better with the middle than Hillary. The idea that she has to move even further right wing to win is so ridiculous and disgusting.

In a general election, while Bernie would continue to do well with Sawx-type independents who believe that the democratic party has abandoned "real leftism", he would see his numbers fall off dramatically with the independents who actually decide elections, the ones whose ideologies lie between the two major parties. The attack ads against Sanders, which have never been run because VT is socialist and the rest of the nation had no reason to care about him before 2015, write themselves. "Socialism! Isolationism! Destruction of the Health Care Industry!" His current 10 or 12 point lead against TRUMP? It would evaporate to a two or three point lead at most overnight, pretty much literally.

You've bought in way too much to the myth of the centrist swing voter who votes for the most centrist candidate. People know Bernie is a democratic socialist, and he's polling much better and has much better favorables than unethical lying Hillary. And sure, I wasn't going to vote for her anyways, but the further to the right Hillary goes, the more Bernie people she will lose.

Ultimately, even if they hold their nose in the voting booth, 85% or so of Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary, because the alternative is well, a literal fascist. The other 15% or so that vote for Stein, Johnson, TRUMP, or stay home probably didn't vote for Obama either so who cares.

How does one draw the line of literal fascist so that it includes Trump and not Hillary? That's a very fine line.
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jfern
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 12:33:17 AM »

If you literally think Hillary is a fascist, you need to see a therapist.

How's he a fascist while Hillary isn't?
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jfern
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 01:18:40 AM »

Fascism is defined as: an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Hillary:

Nationalistic - Yep.
Authoritarian - Hmmm.....you can make the argument, I guess.
Right-Wing - LOL No

TRUMP:

Nationalistic - Yep.
Authoritarian - Yep.
Right-Wing - Yep.

Hillary is more of a hawk than Trump.
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jfern
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 04:27:56 AM »

I see.

Did Clinton only stay in through June in '08 because she was racist?

She was waiting to see if her opponent got assassinated in June. She specifically mentioned RFK.
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jfern
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Political Matrix
E: -7.38, S: -8.36

« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 04:44:08 AM »

I see.

Did Clinton only stay in through June in '08 because she was racist?

She was waiting to see if her opponent got assassinated in June. She specifically mentioned RFK.

You don't actually believe those crazy conspiracy theories, do you? Sanders' hate campaign is toast. Deal with it and stop whining.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.” - Hillary in 2008

Check and mate, buddy.
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