CLINTON EVISCERATES TRUMP

[Green Line]

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

Is calling America an exceptional nation a center-right talking point? Seeing the importance of a strong America on the global stage is a center-right talking point now? News to me!

[Hermit For Peace]

Yeah, this was great at making Trump look like he's crazy. Blunt statements showing his character and how inconsistent he is makes him look more of a joke than he already is. All of her surrogates need to use similar phrasing, if not be more aggressive. Republicans were weak at attacking Trump, I think we're only seeing the beginning of how hard the democrats will go after him. I'm excited for the debates, of course unless Trump drops out to use the vets as a shield again.

Having said that, I think Hillary needs to work on a more concise vision as to what she has to offer, rather than just being against Trump. Also, does it bug anyone else how she nods her head all the time? It comes across as arrogant, even if it's not.

Are you kidding? Have you listened to her debates and speeches throughout the campaign? She's been very clear in laying out her policies and what she wants to accomplish.

[indietraveler]

Yeah, this was great at making Trump look like he's crazy. Blunt statements showing his character and how inconsistent he is makes him look more of a joke than he already is. All of her surrogates need to use similar phrasing, if not be more aggressive. Republicans were weak at attacking Trump, I think we're only seeing the beginning of how hard the democrats will go after him. I'm excited for the debates, of course unless Trump drops out to use the vets as a shield again.

Having said that, I think Hillary needs to work on a more concise vision as to what she has to offer, rather than just being against Trump. Also, does it bug anyone else how she nods her head all the time? It comes across as arrogant, even if it's not.

Are you kidding? Have you listened to her debates and speeches throughout the campaign? She's been very clear in laying out her policies and what she wants to accomplish.

I think she's very well spoken for the most part, and while she has laid out her ideas, it's not in a way that immediately sticks with you. I'm not saying she should dumb it down to "build a wall" or "ban the Muslims" but what sticks out in this particular speech is what she's against, not what she's for.

[Pyro]

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

Is calling America an exceptional nation a center-right talking point? Seeing the importance of a strong America on the global stage is a center-right talking point now? News to me!

Yes, propping up American imperialism and global dominance as some bastardized force for security is common tool by the Right and has been for some time.

[ag]

Yeah, this was great at making Trump look like he's crazy. Blunt statements showing his character and how inconsistent he is makes him look more of a joke than he already is. All of her surrogates need to use similar phrasing, if not be more aggressive. Republicans were weak at attacking Trump, I think we're only seeing the beginning of how hard the democrats will go after him. I'm excited for the debates, of course unless Trump drops out to use the vets as a shield again.

Having said that, I think Hillary needs to work on a more concise vision as to what she has to offer, rather than just being against Trump. Also, does it bug anyone else how she nods her head all the time? It comes across as arrogant, even if it's not.

Are you kidding? Have you listened to her debates and speeches throughout the campaign? She's been very clear in laying out her policies and what she wants to accomplish.

I think she's very well spoken for the most part, and while she has laid out her ideas, it's not in a way that immediately sticks with you. I'm not saying she should dumb it down to "build a wall" or "ban the Muslims" but what sticks out in this particular speech is what she's against, not what she's for.

And this is exactly why it is the only speach of hers that people notice. She can talk about her policies till the sky turns yellow, and nobody will remember a word.

[ag]

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

Is calling America an exceptional nation a center-right talking point? Seeing the importance of a strong America on the global stage is a center-right talking point now? News to me!

Yes, propping up American imperialism and global dominance as some bastardized force for security is common tool by the Right and has been for some time.

Vote Trump.

[Cory]

This is why I voted for her. Thought out policy proposals, strong leadership, and a big tent approach. Glad I did and looking forward to doing so again in November.

[SATW]

Only on Atlas can I, at the same time, could I be asked to vote Democrat by Republicans and then also see Republicans wet their pants for Hillary.

Can this election get a 404 error warning and reset please?

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Yep, she knows what she's doing. Hawkish, but that's who she is and I'll take it over someone who has no plan at all.

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

This nation is not going to elect a socialist.

Honestly, as much credibility as there is to the possibility of the republican party slowly going extinct due to not appealing to minorities enough and its most devoted parts being disproportionately older (A majority of young republicans are the type that supported Rubio or Kasich or Jebra (Several had Rand as their first choice, yes, but he dropped out after Iowa) in the primaries, meaning they tend to be more moderate (especially on social issues) and might leave the party under certain circumstances.), there is credibility to a theory that the Democratic Party is dying off as well. Given how well Sanders did despite the cards being brutally stacked against him, the party base is dramatically socializing itself. The problem with this is that it's clear that this Socialization cannot appeal to black voters. Say goodbye (eventually) to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida - but not necessarily to the republicans. Our next system of parties could be something like this:

"Bernie Sanders Party" - The modern-day democratic party, but now completely socialist and generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes due to lack of appeal to black voters.
"Reformed Libertarian Party" - Moderate Democrats and Moderate Republicans, frustrated with their now failing old parties, beef up the libertarian party and substantially moderate its platform.
"Ted Cruz Party" - Teabaggers extraordinare, generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes but remains a powerful presence in much of the south and Plains and parts of the midwest, occasionally earning a plurality in the HoR.

[Crumpets]

Midway through watching and loving it.

[Pyro]

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

Is calling America an exceptional nation a center-right talking point? Seeing the importance of a strong America on the global stage is a center-right talking point now? News to me!

Yes, propping up American imperialism and global dominance as some bastardized force for security is common tool by the Right and has been for some time.

Vote Trump.

lol ok

[ag]

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

Is calling America an exceptional nation a center-right talking point? Seeing the importance of a strong America on the global stage is a center-right talking point now? News to me!

Yes, propping up American imperialism and global dominance as some bastardized force for security is common tool by the Right and has been for some time.

Vote Trump.

lol ok

I know you will.

[Indy Texas]

Yep, she knows what she's doing. Hawkish, but that's who she is and I'll take it over someone who has no plan at all.

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

This nation is not going to elect a socialist.

Honestly, as much credibility as there is to the possibility of the republican party slowly going extinct due to not appealing to minorities enough and its most devoted parts being disproportionately older (A majority of young republicans are the type that supported Rubio or Kasich or Jebra (Several had Rand as their first choice, yes, but he dropped out after Iowa) in the primaries, meaning they tend to be more moderate (especially on social issues) and might leave the party under certain circumstances.), there is credibility to a theory that the Democratic Party is dying off as well. Given how well Sanders did despite the cards being brutally stacked against him, the party base is dramatically socializing itself. The problem with this is that it's clear that this Socialization cannot appeal to black voters. Say goodbye (eventually) to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida - but not necessarily to the republicans. Our next system of parties could be something like this:

"Bernie Sanders Party" - The modern-day democratic party, but now completely socialist and generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes due to lack of appeal to black voters.
"Reformed Libertarian Party" - Moderate Democrats and Moderate Republicans, frustrated with their now failing old parties, beef up the libertarian party and substantially moderate its platform.
"Ted Cruz Party" - Teabaggers extraordinare, generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes but remains a powerful presence in much of the south and Plains and parts of the midwest, occasionally earning a plurality in the HoR.

There is a selection bias there. There are so few young people who identify as Republican to begin with, so a disproportionate number of them are going to be extremely Establishmentarian because their goal is to get a Congressional internship or rise in the ranks of party politics. Or they're just people who've read too much political history and think the GOP is still the way it was in the 1950s.

Compare that to how easy it is to find young people who are "casual" Democrats who vote Democratic in presidential years and are indifferent to politics otherwise. You can find young "armchair conservatives" (go to a gun range in a suburb of Atlanta/Houston/Dallas/etc) but they are in many cases outright hostile to the Republican Party itself and want nothing to do with it.

[Green Line]

Will Trump even win Wyoming now?

Wyoming is weak on defense, so yes.

[Gass3268]

Yep, she knows what she's doing. Hawkish, but that's who she is and I'll take it over someone who has no plan at all.

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

This nation is not going to elect a socialist.

It might not this year or in the 4-8 years, but look out once today's young voters become the majority.

[BlueSwan]

Yep, this is who I want in the white house.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This is certainly what I've wanted to see from her and her campaign. If she can keep doing this from now to November (and avoid her email ticking bomb), the Republicans will lynch Trump themselves on Nov 9.

[afleitch]

Yep, she knows what she's doing. Hawkish, but that's who she is and I'll take it over someone who has no plan at all.

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

This nation is not going to elect a socialist.

It might not this year or in the 4-8 years, but look out once today's young voters become the majority.

Young voters aren't 'socialist' either. The young generation who gave you McGovern put Reagan in the White House eight years later.

[BlueSwan]

All republicans in congress should be forced to watch this and then afterwards answer the question: "Tell us exactly where she is wrong on Trump in this speech?".

[BlueSwan]

There are people in the comments section on RedState saying it was a great speech.

The comments section on RedState.

No link?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The speech might have been the iceberg that sunk the Trumptanic.  It exposed his candidacy for the ridiculous, sad joke that it is.

You underestimate the power of angry, white voters.

[Dutch Conservative]

I watched parts of the speech. Very scripted and unnatural, even the laughs are scripted. I found it to be very boring, cheap shots, not thrustworthy. I honestly do not think that people will buy these arguments. She is not the person to talk about good judgement. Something with a pot and a kettle.

And for the speech: she is definitely not Obama.

But maybe I have a different view of this as a European.

[Lyin' Steve]

Yep, she knows what she's doing. Hawkish, but that's who she is and I'll take it over someone who has no plan at all.

The majority of this speech in a nutshell: "Hey! At least I'm not that crazy guy, Trump!"
Seriously though, still can't stand her and her center-right talking points. Worst nominees in a generation.

This nation is not going to elect a socialist.

Honestly, as much credibility as there is to the possibility of the republican party slowly going extinct due to not appealing to minorities enough and its most devoted parts being disproportionately older (A majority of young republicans are the type that supported Rubio or Kasich or Jebra (Several had Rand as their first choice, yes, but he dropped out after Iowa) in the primaries, meaning they tend to be more moderate (especially on social issues) and might leave the party under certain circumstances.), there is credibility to a theory that the Democratic Party is dying off as well. Given how well Sanders did despite the cards being brutally stacked against him, the party base is dramatically socializing itself. The problem with this is that it's clear that this Socialization cannot appeal to black voters. Say goodbye (eventually) to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida - but not necessarily to the republicans. Our next system of parties could be something like this:

"Bernie Sanders Party" - The modern-day democratic party, but now completely socialist and generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes due to lack of appeal to black voters.
"Reformed Libertarian Party" - Moderate Democrats and Moderate Republicans, frustrated with their now failing old parties, beef up the libertarian party and substantially moderate its platform.
"Ted Cruz Party" - Teabaggers extraordinare, generally unable to reach 270 electoral votes but remains a powerful presence in much of the south and Plains and parts of the midwest, occasionally earning a plurality in the HoR.

This is why I've been saying since f***ing August that the Democratic party needs to aggressively counter the policy and strategy of Bernie Sanders.  His policies are foolish, misguided, and wrong, and his strategy is selfish and intentionally divisive, destructive, and alienating to large swaths of voters.  If 40% of the Democratic party honestly believes that the simple-minded rhetoric and viewpoints that Sanders espouses and the free candy and revenge narrative he promises would be good policy, then it is the responsibility of the Democratic party to work its butt off to repeatedly drill into the brains of its base just how stupid they are, like eradicating a bacteria from your body, NOT to say "well 40% of our base believes this garbage so we must find some way to make it 40% of our party's core policy and strategic foundation."

[Taco Truck 🚚]

I honestly do not think that people will buy these arguments. She is not the person to talk about good judgement.

Anyone who is not in a maximum security penitentiary can credibly talk about Trump's lack of judgement.  Which is why the speech was unremarkable.  The thread title is over the top.

And for the speech: she is definitely not Obama.

But maybe I have a different view of this as a European.

No.  Everyone concurs with that statement.

The speech might have been the iceberg that sunk the Trumptanic.  It exposed his candidacy for the ridiculous, sad joke that it is.

You underestimate the power of angry, white voters.

I agree.  When people stop saying there is no racism in America then they will understand Trump is going to give Hillary a run for her money.  He is not winning despite calling Mexicans rapists... He is winning because he called Mexicans rapists.

[Dutch Conservative]

Anyone who is not in a maximum security penitentiary can credibly talk about Trump's lack of judgement.  

It are exactly these kind of arrogant and offensive remarks that make people so angry. Im new to this forum, but I cant believe how polarised it is.

I think Clinton is a strong candidate that can win in November. I think its 70/30 on this moment in favor of Clinton. But I dont think this was a strong speech. She made a caricature of Trump, I really dont believe people will buy that anymore. This was for the most part not a foreign policy speech, it was an anti-trump speech.  The over hilarious laughing of the crowd doesnt make it any better.