Anyone who remains a Republican at this point is a Trump enabler

[Seriously?]

This thread is cancer.

Just a metastasis of Trump campaign.

Even if he loses, he's done immense (yuge?) damage to the nation already.

Yuge damage how? By putting up Trump Tower, rebuilding Wolhman Rink when the government couldn't? Building golf courses and skyscrapers throughout the world?

I'd love ONE tangible piece of evidence that doesn't involve your "feelings" as to how Trump has "done immense damage" to the United States. How other people allegedly "feel" about us doesn't count, either.

[ProgCon]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

[Green Line]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

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At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

I don't remember this demonization of white men before the Hillary 2016 campaign.

[MK]

Whats funny is the anti-trump forces are using tactics that are exactly like the ones they fear from a Trump presidency.  

I have taken time to reflect on trump and I no longer support him for reasons that he isn't disciplined enough and too thin skinned. He doesn't take time to really learn issues that he could really excel at with his media savvy and skills on the mic.  

Immigration - Ok, we are building the wall and deporting those that are bad( as it should be).   Go more in depth of what you would do for hard working illegals here.. families etc..    He is tone deaf on this and never has a real postion.  He could actually outflank the left here because they don't have a real plan other than pandering for votes.


Economy -  Once again he fails to have a actual plan.  Yes, hes 1000% correct on trade as is Sanders for you on the left out there who will attack that statement.  Trump is a realestate businessman ,but not once has a outlined a infrastructure plan.  You would think this would be his strong suit.   Chance to completely out hustle the dems here and he doesn't do it.



Foreign policy - He's actually improved here and while not popular with neo-con hawks its actually a position he holds consistany. I do wish he'd stop allowing the media to bait him into "nuclear" questions.  

Temperament-  His bold style is appealing and fresh compared to others the GOP have ran in the past.  My issue is he doesn't know when to turn it off.  Attacking the New Mexico Gov was really stupid and ill-advised.  Yes, she stood him up.  She as a republican should have been there at the rally as were the voters .  It wasn't as if this was still the primary season.  Trump shouldn't have attacked her in that way if anything let a surrogate take that jab. The press conference attacking the press was OK because nobody likes the bias propaganda press anyways.  Hes way too thin skinned for me. When I was younger I could be a hothead about things ,but damn as you grow older you become more tamed and pick your battles wisely.  This guy seems as if he never matured past the age 21.


The Trump University -  Its ridiculous and silly for both sides.  The students are equally as guilty here.  Who pays 30k for a seminar on real-estate ?   It takes having money in the first place to start in real estate. Heck take your 30k and go buy a building or shabby house  fix and flip it.  Welcome to real estate 101.   My issue with Trump is what the F did he think he was going to make off this nonsense?   He's probably spent more on defending the lawsuits than he made on it. Foolish and lazy on his part.  If he were serious about the university he should have at least invested a little more effort into it.  Hire some semi-competent instructors, but once again hes  too cheap to do that..... seems like a trend?


I will never support that crook Hillary ,but I will not be casting a vote for Trump either.   Hillary Clinton can be elected and zero would change for all those people with grievances black,white brown or otherwise.  

[All Along The Watchtower]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

This is why we can't have nice things. Candidates like Trump make the racist excrement of American society unashamed of speaking out when ideally, they should be too ashamed to even show their faces in public.

I just hope that when Der Furher Trump is finally in a position to permanently dismantle democracy  -and all of the rights and liberties that go with it - that you will recognize the fact that you enabled  a monstrous maniac and then repent. Of course, by then, it will be far too late...

[RightBehind]

I'm not against a person speaking their mind, but you also have to consider what it is they're speaking.

[ProgCon]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

It’s not really fair to accuse one single party of this issue. That is tantamount to accusing the Republican Party alone for causing the Civil War when there were faults on both sides. The Republicans, by pandering to those who engaged in white flight and the Dixiecrats through “law and order” politics, are also to blame for our current polarization. Democrats became the party of redistribution under FDR and, thanks to their incorporation of Civil Rights, this redistribution meant not merely from wealthy whites to poor whites, but from privileged people (almost exclusively white) to the disenfranchised, which Democrats (wrongly) concluded were almost exclusively non-white. In my opinion, this was partly a good thing as it incorporated minority groups into American politics and society, thereby giving them a fairer amount of power. The reason Bernie Sanders has greater appeal to white voters than Hillary is specifically for this reason: he pays greater attention to the traditional Democratic issue of class instead of race. Republicans have fed on this racial divide to inflame their overwhelmingly white base.

It can be debated who started it, but all that matters is that it exists and is the cornerstone of modern American politics, and is highly unlikely to disappear anytime soon. Racial issues will likely forever be a problem in American politics.

[Wisconsin+17]

Amen, OP. Amen.

[Gustaf]

Trump actually does carry serious risks. His ignorance and lack of morality is boundless.

I get some people dislike Clinton. But worst case, she is another term of Obama. And for all the inflated rhetoric about Obama, the US is doing fine. Maybe not as good as it could be, but it's fine. Freaking out over some lesser flaws and following Trump in dismantling all the things that have made countries successful (market economy, diplomatic alliances, democracy, respect for constitutional liberties, etc) is so stupid it boggles the mind.

Voting Trump is some combination of evil and moronic. Unfortunately a lot of people are that way.

[MK]

Trump actually does carry serious risks. His ignorance and lack of morality is boundless.

I get some people dislike Clinton. But worst case, she is another term of Obama. And for all the inflated rhetoric about Obama, the US is doing fine. Maybe not as good as it could be, but it's fine. Freaking out over some lesser flaws and following Trump in dismantling all the things that have made countries successful (market economy, diplomatic alliances, democracy, respect for constitutional liberties, etc) is so stupid it boggles the mind.

Voting Trump is some combination of evil and moronic. Unfortunately a lot of people are that way.

You should never just settle on voting for someone such as Crooked Hillary Clinton.    This whole election just sucks either way you look at it.   

I was leaning Trump , but the Trump University did it for me .

[PaperKooper]

This thread is hilarious. 

[Mister Mets]

An individual can remain a Republican without enabling Trump.

I'm a registered Republican, and I'm probably voting Johnson in November (unless Kristol's independent candidate ends up being a lot more impressive than David French.)

[IceSpear]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

I don't remember this demonization of white men before the Hillary 2016 campaign.

Seek help.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This thread is cancer.

Just a metastasis of Trump campaign.

Even if he loses, he's done immense (yuge?) damage to the nation already.

Yuge damage how? By putting up Trump Tower, rebuilding Wolhman Rink when the government couldn't? Building golf courses and skyscrapers throughout the world?

I'd love ONE tangible piece of evidence that doesn't involve your "feelings" as to how Trump has "done immense damage" to the United States. How other people allegedly "feel" about us doesn't count, either.

He's single-handedly responsible for introducing a level of political violence unheard-of in modern America.

He's also responsible for a strong surge in hate groups. From the Southern Povery Law Center, to David Duke and the founder of Stormfront, there's agreement that the spike in American racism over the last year is due to Trump,

[Coolface Sock #42069]

At this point, Americans who are politically inclined seem to be polarized to an almost unprecedented degree. You would almost think that they come from entirely different worlds with practically no shared experiences, values, or sense of ‘oneness’. To attribute this solely to Trump, the Tea Party, Occupy, or any such group would be a shallow explanation. There is something much deeper here and the more important question is how we can possibly overcome it.

Around 40-50 years ago an American political party realized that the best way for them to achieve electoral success was by dividing Americans up by race and creating different disparate minority groups. They embraced hyphenated-Americanism and encouraged the formation of smaller racially focused interest groups and social functions. 40 years later and we have the modern Democratic Party, who thrives off of people who are deathly afraid of the white man and cling to identity politics.

There you have it!

I don't remember this demonization of white men before the Hillary 2016 campaign.

Seek help.

[ag]

What about Democrats who support TRUMP?

They are Nazis, like you, who will be joining The Leader in the Grand Republican National Sociallist Party as soon as it gets reformed.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

What about Democrats who support TRUMP?

They are Nazis, like you, who will be joining The Leader in the Grand Republican National Sociallist Party as soon as it gets reformed.

Of yeah, of course, because TRUMP is a nazi and a fascist. That's ridiculous.

He's promoting palingenetic, ultra-nationalist populism, with heavy doses of racism and violence, including calling for violence directed at existing power structures if they don't acquiesce to his desires. Fascist is absolutely the correct description, and the similarities with Nazi-ism are high.

[afleitch]

What about Democrats who support TRUMP?

They are Nazis, like you, who will be joining The Leader in the Grand Republican National Sociallist Party as soon as it gets reformed.

Of yeah, of course, because TRUMP is a nazi and a fascist. That's ridiculous.

He's promoting palingenetic, ultra-nationalist populism, with heavy doses of racism and violence, including calling for violence directed at existing power structures if they don't acquiesce to his desires. Fascist is absolutely the correct description, and the similarities with Nazi-ism are high.

Trump is absolutely anti-democratic. He rales against nomination processes, journalists, the courts and so forth (as does the GOP in general) and as you say, existing democratic power systems, or supporting systems that by their nature critique those with political or business power. Those have been in his range for decades and he will act against them in office.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

What about Democrats who support TRUMP?

Easy.

EDIT: If you're reluctant...

[Phony Moderate]

This thread isn't really ridiculous when you consider that lots of people actually had passionate feelings (one way or another) about John Kerry and Mitt Romney, two of the most benign and dull figures ever to grace public life.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Trump supports democracy in terms of votes and popular support for political leaders.  What he doesn't support are the institutions and limits on power which make democracy meaningful and sustainable.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

What about Democrats who support TRUMP?

Easy.

I'm sure he will get a lot of cross-over votes in November. Hillary will do likewise with some Republicans

Do you vote NPD?

[Gustaf]

Trump actually does carry serious risks. His ignorance and lack of morality is boundless.

I get some people dislike Clinton. But worst case, she is another term of Obama. And for all the inflated rhetoric about Obama, the US is doing fine. Maybe not as good as it could be, but it's fine. Freaking out over some lesser flaws and following Trump in dismantling all the things that have made countries successful (market economy, diplomatic alliances, democracy, respect for constitutional liberties, etc) is so stupid it boggles the mind.

Voting Trump is some combination of evil and moronic. Unfortunately a lot of people are that way.

You should never just settle on voting for someone such as Crooked Hillary Clinton.    This whole election just sucks either way you look at it.   

I was leaning Trump , but the Trump University did it for me .

Well, I find the criticisms of Clinton pretty overblown. But even aside from that some things matter more than others. Even if I bought the anti-Clinton narrative of her being "crooked" and so on I'd still vote for her over Trump.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Trump actually does carry serious risks. His ignorance and lack of morality is boundless.

I get some people dislike Clinton. But worst case, she is another term of Obama. And for all the inflated rhetoric about Obama, the US is doing fine. Maybe not as good as it could be, but it's fine. Freaking out over some lesser flaws and following Trump in dismantling all the things that have made countries successful (market economy, diplomatic alliances, democracy, respect for constitutional liberties, etc) is so stupid it boggles the mind.

Voting Trump is some combination of evil and moronic. Unfortunately a lot of people are that way.

You should never just settle on voting for someone such as Crooked Hillary Clinton.    This whole election just sucks either way you look at it.   

I was leaning Trump , but the Trump University did it for me .

Well, I find the criticisms of Clinton pretty overblown. But even aside from that some things matter more than others. Even if I bought the anti-Clinton narrative of her being "crooked" and so on I'd still vote for her over Trump.

When it comes to Clinton being corrupt... she is, but only in the same way as our entire system, including virtually every presidential candidate, past or current. (With the possible exception of Sanders.) Her great crime is being better at our American form of basically-legal corruption than many of her peers.

In general, I think voting for either party is just perpetuating the scam democracy we have.  But Trump is so frighteningly awful, that we need to stop him, even if that means voting for Hillary. (And if that itself is a ploy by the Clintons or the Establishment, it's a good one, because its working.)