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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2016, 05:46:17 PM »

Honorable JCL, If Leinad had thought before spouting Labor's position word for word, I would be glad to stay and help the party.

If I wanted to vote for Labor's position word for word, I would have voted for them. I haven't moved an inch and I'm tired of being a member of a party that pays lip service to what I believe in.

What's the last social conservative bill that actually got passed? Anywhere in Atlasia? When's the last time NC Yankee passed anything social conservative? All we see is Labor and Labor on this issue.

In short, I want to see some meat and potatoes on the platform. I was happy to step aside and be that dutiful supporter. But it gets tiresome to see Leinad quote from the Labor platform instead of ours. So now I'm going to be blunt.

You want my vote? Put something, officially, in public, in the damn platform. And stick by it. I don't believe this party has the guts to do something like that. They might piss off Duke or somebody who's more important.

Anyways, I thank you for all your support both particularly and personally. But public repudiation of conservative ideals requires public repentence.

Ben, You're right that public repudiation of our principals requires public repentance.

Goldwater, we need both libertarians and social conservatives to defeat the labor agenda. Whatever happened to passionate yet civil discussion on the controversial issues we all face? Labor wins the White House because we fail to stick together. Ben and I's position is a winning position. All voices on the right deserve a place at the table even social and religious conservatives.
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2016, 05:51:31 PM »

"Passionate, yet civil discussion" died the moment Ben decided to leave the party over this one issue.
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2016, 05:55:26 PM »

"Passionate, yet civil discussion" died the moment Ben decided to leave the party over this one issue.

He's felt that our candidates have compromised in other ways and this tipped Ben Over the edge.
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2016, 05:58:57 PM »

I'm considering walking out also, because I find this position unacceptable.
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2016, 06:14:17 PM »

Right, which is why Goldwater is calling people delusional for supporting what the Feds have held... until today.

Curious that. It seems like we have Labor and whatever Labor believed yesterday picking up the scraps.
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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2016, 09:04:42 PM »

What the hell...
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2016, 09:20:53 PM »


Took the words right out of my mouth.
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« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2016, 03:44:22 AM »


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« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2016, 03:57:22 AM »

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Once again I predicted the future, and made a signature to address a problem days before it happened.

For those of you were gone from the game, and those of you who had yet to join. I want you to imagine for a moment what is like to be stripped of all influence and power and then have a litteral Communist etching your last words on a tomb stone and then pissing all over it and your soon to be grave.

I did not overcome the machinations of Marxists, Traitors and Radicals to deliver this party back to power, just so that it could be ripped to shreds a year later over a disagreement on a fault line, I warned about just days ago:

Everytime this has happened, players have left the game. Because from their point of view they were sick of giving it all only to have defeat snatched from the jaws of victory by one or two votes and amongst that list of leftwing voters is several names who normally vote conservative. Libertarians who hate moderates, moderates who hate libertarians, conservatives who hate both, independents who hate big tent conservative parties. Time after time after time aftet time.  I had hoped that new Atlasia would be different and we could have contersts determined by ideas not repeat of same old bs.  I say it is time for the whole right to rise up as one united front, and put an end to these bullsh**t defeats.

Congrats!

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« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2016, 04:30:42 AM »

What's the last social conservative bill that actually got passed? Anywhere in Atlasia? When's the last time NC Yankee passed anything social conservative? All we see is Labor and Labor on this issue.

Its kind of had to pass anything when you have maybe 2 Senators out of 10 that agree with you on a position. Remember, for a good bit of my last period in the Senate, it was 7-3 and 8-2 Leftist. And more recent majorities had the balance held by moderate CRs.


Perhaps I should have taken the martyrdom route. And right now Oakvale would be running this game, I would be pinning nostalgically for the days of old, people like CLassic never would have joined or be sitting with a 3 year game ban for treason along with myself, people like JCL would have left and not returned and this election would be Foucaulf versus a still Laborite Talleyrand. With maybe a third party conservative getting 15% of the vote.
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« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2016, 04:42:46 AM »
« Edited: June 11, 2016, 04:50:19 AM by IDS Ex-Speaker Ben Kenobi »

*Ahem*

Friends... Atlasians... Federalists.

I went through my books the other day. I've been in the party since the days of the old RPP - that was 6 years ago. Where does the time fly?

I have been... graciously allowed an opportunity by the Fed Chairman NC Yankee. To return. To this convention and to this party.

To my home with the Federalists. He could have turned me out, tossed the doors and shut them, never for me to return. Yet he did not. He could have and he would have been right to after my damn fool outbust yesterday.

What did he do? He kept the door open. For me. You see I'm a bit of a hothead. I like to talk first and talk big and deal with the consequences later. That's gotten me in a spot of trouble over the years.

Yesterday was another example. You want to know what our Honourable chairman said to me? "Ben Kenobi, you can trust me. You are going to be heard. You are going to be listened to."

Well folks, what can you say to that? To a bloody loudmouthed Texan fool. Who repaid the kindnesses of friends with harsh words and bitterness.

First off, I want to apologize to Goldwater. I called him a Laborite. I have to apologize for that foul, foul language. I swear I will never again compare Goldwater to the depths of depravity that is the Labor party and any of their members, steeped in Socialism and Stalinism.

Second off, I want to apologize to our candidate for the Presidency, Leinad. I shot off wrongly. I should have sat down with you and hashed out our issues like a man. I am thankful that you gave me the opportunity to work out my misunderstandings. You are a fine man and a better leader than I could ever be.

Third off, I want to apologize to our party chairman - NC Yankee. Who put together this marvelous convention. My outburst took away from the thrill of victory of our five. Yes, that's right, five Federalists who won. Classic Conservative, Haslam, Goldwater, Clark Kent and our beloved JCL.

Tonight is your night! Congratulations for another glorious Federalist victory!
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« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2016, 05:12:43 AM »

That same promise applies to every Federalist, by the way. Conservative, Libertarian, moderate. I have made a point to listen to all sides ever since I became chairman. I have also worked tirelessly to elect moderates such as Goldwater, just as much as I have conservatives like JCL.

 Our unity rests in understanding the strength of us coming together around shared goals and vision as well as understanding that the perfect cannot become the enemy of the good. There are things we can do for social conservatives yes, but it must be remember that it will do no good to rub a hostile position in the face of a public or voter who is of opposite mind, for that will only make them recoil and retrench and then you lose not only that but on everything else you might be able to win them on.

We must as a party speak to the public where they are and than for where they are at odds, work to change minds and opinions outside of elections through discussion, reasoned debate and factual analysis.
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« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2016, 01:27:00 PM »
« Edited: June 11, 2016, 01:32:40 PM by Senator PiT »

     *Senator PiT addresses the convention, as heated argument rages across the floor*

     Not everyone has the same idea. We are individuals, each with a unique view on the issues before us. Nobody agrees perfectly with anybody else, and if such were a requirement for being a member of a party then the party system would collapse quite rapidly.

     For this reason, I oppose ideological litmus tests. I do not think any of us should be leaving the party or walking out on the convention over a single issue. Restrooms are a thorny and difficult issue. I do not think an easy solution is possible, because of the nature of transgenderism. This is an important public policy debate to be having, but it should not be an issue that tears us apart.

     Your opinion on that one issue is not what will be deciding my vote. There are many other issues on which we can agree, and causes we can advance in opposition to the Labor. It is important that we present a united front for conservative and libertarian values of small government and personal responsibility. We may not be in perfect agreement on what those values mean, but I can tell you one thing: Leinad represents those values we cherish better than Truman does.
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« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2016, 01:31:17 PM »

     *Senator PiT addresses the convention, as heated argument rages across the floor*

     Not everyone has the same idea. We are individuals, each with a unique view on the issues before us. Nobody agrees perfectly with anybody else, and if such were a requirement for being a member of a party then the party system would collapse quite rapidly.

     For this reason, I oppose ideological litmus tests. I do not think any of us should be leaving the party or walking out on the convention over a single issue. Restrooms are a thorny and difficult issue. I do not think an easy solution is possible, because of the nature of transgenderism. This is an important public policy debate to be having, but it should not be an issue that tears us apart.

     Your opinion on that one issue is not what will be deciding my vote. There are many other issues on which we can agree, and causes we can advance in opposition to the Labor. It is important that we present a united front for conservative and libertarian values of small government and personal responsibility. We may not be in perfect agreement on what those values are, but I can tell you one thing: Leinad represents those values we cherish better than Truman does.

*Governor Ted Bessell hops on stage and emptyquotes Senator PiT*
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« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2016, 01:39:08 PM »

I would like to apologize to Senator Leinad and Fmr. President Lumine for publicly embarrassing them yesterday when. I threatened to leave the room over a trivial issue, and it was a stupid mistake on my part. The party has to be united to take down the Laborites led by Truman and we have to do that by supporting and voting for Leinad and Lumine. I also look forward to a vigorous debate on our party platform on important social issues including religious expression, freedom of speech and protecting Israel.
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« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2016, 04:04:20 PM »

Honorable JCL, If Leinad had thought before spouting Labor's position word for word, I would be glad to stay and help the party.

If I wanted to vote for Labor's position word for word, I would have voted for them. I haven't moved an inch and I'm tired of being a member of a party that pays lip service to what I believe in.

What's the last social conservative bill that actually got passed? Anywhere in Atlasia? When's the last time NC Yankee passed anything social conservative? All we see is Labor and Labor on this issue.

In short, I want to see some meat and potatoes on the platform. I was happy to step aside and be that dutiful supporter. But it gets tiresome to see Leinad quote from the Labor platform instead of ours. So now I'm going to be blunt.

You want my vote? Put something, officially, in public, in the damn platform. And stick by it. I don't believe this party has the guts to do something like that. They might piss off Duke or somebody who's more important.

Anyways, I thank you for all your support both particularly and personally. But public repudiation of conservative ideals requires public repentence.

Oh Ben, I'm not in the Federalist Party anymore, so don't worry about trying to please me!
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« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2016, 08:13:42 PM »

     *Senator PiT addresses the convention, as heated argument rages across the floor*

     Not everyone has the same idea. We are individuals, each with a unique view on the issues before us. Nobody agrees perfectly with anybody else, and if such were a requirement for being a member of a party then the party system would collapse quite rapidly.

     For this reason, I oppose ideological litmus tests. I do not think any of us should be leaving the party or walking out on the convention over a single issue. Restrooms are a thorny and difficult issue. I do not think an easy solution is possible, because of the nature of transgenderism. This is an important public policy debate to be having, but it should not be an issue that tears us apart.

     Your opinion on that one issue is not what will be deciding my vote. There are many other issues on which we can agree, and causes we can advance in opposition to the Labor. It is important that we present a united front for conservative and libertarian values of small government and personal responsibility. We may not be in perfect agreement on what those values are, but I can tell you one thing: Leinad represents those values we cherish better than Truman does.

*Governor Ted Bessell hops on stage and emptyquotes Senator PiT*
Same with Governor RGN.
"Let's help "Mr. Change of Leadership in our government", change that will make our country more stronger, better than ever, win this election. Even right now, we are the winners because we are pushing and championing for a change for the better.
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« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2016, 09:08:42 PM »

I would like to apologize to Senator Leinad and Fmr. President Lumine for publicly embarrassing them yesterday when. I threatened to leave the room over a trivial issue, and it was a stupid mistake on my part. The party has to be united to take down the Laborites led by Truman and we have to do that by supporting and voting for Leinad and Lumine. I also look forward to a vigorous debate on our party platform on important social issues including religious expression, freedom of speech and protecting Israel.

Classic Conservative speaks for me also. There are many important social issues facing our great nation at this time besides whether or not we should take a DNA sample to figure out which public bathroom someone should use. For example, half of this party's existence can be traced to the Right to Life Caucus back in 2012 when the RPP was dissolved. I look forward to seeing where we stand now.
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2016, 11:42:10 PM »

Second off, I want to apologize to our candidate for the Presidency, Leinad.
I would like to apologize to Senator Leinad

Thanks, guys! Smiley

Having different ideas is fine, as long as you stay calm, stay civil, and stay...can't think of another one, I just prefer groups of 3 to groups of 2.
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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2016, 12:00:52 AM »

Really makes you realize the irony in the name Tongue
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« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2016, 12:15:25 AM »


Not really considering,

"...Conservatives of my ilk will be called Liberal" - Goldwater in the 1960's. And of course twenty years later, Republicans were threatening to disown him for just that reason.
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« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2016, 12:22:30 AM »


Not really considering,

"...Conservatives of my ilk will be called Liberal" - Goldwater in the 1960's. And of course twenty years later, Republicans were threatening to disown him for just that reason.

Well, yeah, but if someone were talking about IRL Senator Goldwater your mind probably wouldn't go straight to in-game Senator Goldwater's ideology.
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« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2016, 02:36:11 AM »

The funny thing is, I don't even really consider myself that moderate. I just have a somewhat... Unorthodox combination of policy positions. Tongue
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2016, 01:48:20 AM »

The funny thing is, I don't even really consider myself that moderate. I just have a somewhat... Unorthodox combination of policy positions. Tongue

Which makes finding a suitable replacement for you in the House all the more difficult on that note.


So to buy me more time:
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« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2016, 02:03:34 AM »

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Under the fourth constitution, I am entitled as Chairman of the affected party to appoint a replacement should one of our Party's Representatives resign. As Goldwater has resigned to move it on up on the West Side, I am therefore give this impossible task.

My preference would be to appoint someone from our newer ranks, but I am mindful of the vast amount of support that Goldwater received from moderate voters and therefore I am hessistant to appoint someone that would be a substantial change from Goldwater, but as he just noted, he does possess a rather odd mix of views making this task of "respecting his base voters" all the more difficult.


The Last thing I want to do, is spend another seven years in a legislative chamber. However, since this particular rodeo is getting underway, I find it necessary to appoint a replacement, before redistricting. Tongue The turmoil in here, the real life trajedy and a bunch of unforseen events, not to mention working four days straight has left me no time to weigh the options or even contact potential options to see if they are interested.

Therefore, I am appointing myself, North Carolina Yankee, to the position of Atlasian People's House of Representatives. This is not permenant, it is temporary, until I can find out what the hell is going on. I will not run for reelection, but I will commit to being a faithful servant of the people for however short of a stint this maybe just as I was for so many years in the Atlasian Senate under the Second and Third Constitutions. I am going to review the options and contact people and upon making a decision, I will resign and appoint them instead.
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