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« on: June 06, 2016, 11:05:30 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 11:14:16 PM »

The sentiments he is expressing are real, whether they are wrong or not. Archie Bunker, who was supposed to be a stereotypical parody of a a bigot, wouldn't be allowed on TV these days. I'm surprised the same #CancelColbert movement hasn't turned on Eric Cartman.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 11:18:05 PM »

This is truly one of the greatest problems in America and why me and Nader are #AllLiberalAllTheTime
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 11:19:24 PM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 11:22:57 PM »

The sentiments he is expressing are real, whether they are wrong or not. Archie Bunker, who was supposed to be a stereotypical parody of a a bigot, wouldn't be allowed on TV these days. I'm surprised the same #CancelColbert movement hasn't turned on Eric Cartman.

Oh God if they had that would've been quite the dilemma since they suck and sure as hell wouldn't want them attacking something else that sucks hugely.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 11:31:16 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2016, 11:51:25 PM by Two men say they're Jesus; one of them must be wrong »

The sentiments he is expressing are real, whether they are wrong or not. Archie Bunker, who was supposed to be a stereotypical parody of a a bigot, wouldn't be allowed on TV these days. I'm surprised the same #CancelColbert movement hasn't turned on Eric Cartman.

Oh God if they had that would've been quite the dilemma since they suck and sure as hell wouldn't want them attacking something else that sucks hugely.

Wait, you don't like it or find it entertaining when two relatively inconsequential things you dislike are attacking each other??
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 11:33:15 PM »

And you're a fairy. Life goes on.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 11:35:03 PM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
This myth is so hilariously debunked that I'm not sure if you are serious. For all we know, Uncle Pat or the Workers World candidate was the one who blew it.
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 11:41:15 PM »

He probably didn't phrase it right, but I don't disagree with his end point that people are too sensitive.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 11:43:30 PM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
This myth is so hilariously debunked that I'm not sure if you are serious. For all we know, Uncle Pat or the Workers World candidate was the one who blew it.

There's no debunking. If he wasn't in the race, Gore would've won. Period. Yes, many would not have voted, voted for other third parties, or even voted Bush. But to suggest Gore would not have gained a net ~500 votes or whatever in Florida if he wasn't on the ballot is ludicrous.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2016, 11:45:19 PM »

The sentiments he is expressing are real, whether they are wrong or not. Archie Bunker, who was supposed to be a stereotypical parody of a a bigot, wouldn't be allowed on TV these days. I'm surprised the same #CancelColbert movement hasn't turned on Eric Cartman.

Oh God if they had that would've been quite the dilemma since they suck and sure as hell wouldn't want them attacking something else that sucks hugely.

Wait, you don't like it or find it entertaining when two relatively inconsequential things you dislike are attacking eachother??

Well problem is I always like to take sides. Though yeah you have a point, for example I most certainly enjoyed Donald Trump brutally fighting with the National Review and Republican establishment.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2016, 11:46:47 PM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
This myth is so hilariously debunked that I'm not sure if you are serious. For all we know, Uncle Pat or the Workers World candidate was the one who blew it.

There's no debunking. If he wasn't in the race, Gore would've won. Period. Yes, many would not have voted, voted for other third parties, or even voted Bush. But to suggest Gore would not have gained a net ~500 votes or whatever in Florida if he wasn't on the ballot is ludicrous.

If Gore hadn't been such a garbage candidate, Nader wouldn't have been on the ballot. Not Nader's fault.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2016, 11:57:14 PM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
This myth is so hilariously debunked that I'm not sure if you are serious. For all we know, Uncle Pat or the Workers World candidate was the one who blew it.

There's no debunking. If he wasn't in the race, Gore would've won. Period. Yes, many would not have voted, voted for other third parties, or even voted Bush. But to suggest Gore would not have gained a net ~500 votes or whatever in Florida if he wasn't on the ballot is ludicrous.

If Gore hadn't been such a garbage candidate, Nader wouldn't have been on the ballot. Not Nader's fault.

If Nader wasn't an egotistical delusional piece of trash, Bush would never have become president. It is indeed Nader's fault.
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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2016, 12:11:56 AM »

Nobody cares what Ralph Dubya Nader thinks.
This myth is so hilariously debunked that I'm not sure if you are serious. For all we know, Uncle Pat or the Workers World candidate was the one who blew it.

There's no debunking. If he wasn't in the race, Gore would've won. Period. Yes, many would not have voted, voted for other third parties, or even voted Bush. But to suggest Gore would not have gained a net ~500 votes or whatever in Florida if he wasn't on the ballot is ludicrous.

If Gore hadn't been such a garbage candidate, Nader wouldn't have been on the ballot. Not Nader's fault.

If Nader wasn't an egotistical delusional piece of trash, Bush would never have become president. It is indeed Nader's fault.

If the election laws in the United States weren't so sh**tty, people wouldn't have to bully an excellent candidate like Ralph Nader to drop out... so that a mediocre candidate like Al Gore could win... to prevent an abominable candidate like GWB.

The tragedy we live in.
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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2016, 12:28:22 AM »

One thing that I do find strange is how some people treat Nader like a PROGRESSIVE HERO despite the fact that he endorsed Kasich.
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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2016, 12:44:39 AM »

Sure, Gore would have won if Nader weren't in.

Gore also would have won if he'd nixed his advisers and actually acted human on TV.

You can't run as a dead fish and not take some of the blame for losing.
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« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2016, 01:10:26 AM »

One thing that I do find strange is how some people treat Nader like a PROGRESSIVE HERO despite the fact that he endorsed Kasich.

I think that blog post was more just for the Republican primaries, as he also has favored Sanders vis a vis Hillary.

The dude is also super-old and bitter now.
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2016, 01:12:00 AM »

Except he also endorsed Jim Webb before he dropped out.
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2016, 01:14:34 AM »
« Edited: June 07, 2016, 01:17:31 AM by RaphaelDLG »

Except he also endorsed Jim Webb before he dropped out.

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ETA:  It was back in October of 2014. 

Still think his platform in 2000 is great.  He has a habit of opening his mouth and saying dumb stuff, but his record of advocacy is legendary, and the man probably saved more lives with the whole seat belt thing alone than any of the Prez candidates this year.
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2016, 08:15:42 AM »

I don't often agree with Nader, but I liked the interview when read in its entirety. He brings a needed long perspective on organizing and what drives people. It is often missing from many who haven't been engaged for as many decades as Nader.
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2016, 08:57:44 AM »

Except he also endorsed Jim Webb before he dropped out.

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ETA:  It was back in October of 2014. 

Still think his platform in 2000 is great.  He has a habit of opening his mouth and saying dumb stuff, but his record of advocacy is legendary, and the man probably saved more lives with the whole seat belt thing alone than any of the Prez candidates this year.

The idea that Ralph Nader is responsible for seat belts is based on the ridiculous notion that laws mandating them weren't inevitably going to happen anyway, and that auto manufacturers wouldn't install them in cars today even if they weren't mandatory. Which are both absurd.

And no Nader has never been anything but a self-serving egomaniac. The way he ran his 2000 campaign where he specifically targeted swing states (not just campaigning everywhere. analysis has shown that he focused primarily on swing states) is proof of that, as well as his utterly pointless 2004 run which is basically why the Green Party is all but dead today (even though he didn't run as a Green) and his even more pointless 2008 run after >99.5% of the population voted for someone else and yet he somehow thought another campaign was necessary. He is a horrifying individual in every way.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2016, 09:53:04 AM »

Al Gore maybe have been an awful candidate and his campaign team a bunch of inept hacks.
But they were all committed to elect him president, despite their mistakes.
Nader OTOH had explicitly stated that he wanted to hurt Gore, to prevent him from being elected, to make a point about the power of the ignored left.
That's what makes him responsible for what happened in 2000 and for all the death and mayhem brought upon the world by Bush.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2016, 09:59:01 AM »

He didn't say anything bigoted.  He was explaining why people of a certain age and demographic find Trump appealing. Nice try though.
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2016, 10:49:44 AM »
« Edited: June 07, 2016, 10:53:10 AM by Siren »

The idea that Ralph Nader is responsible for seat belts is based on the ridiculous notion that laws mandating them weren't inevitably going to happen anyway, and that auto manufacturers wouldn't install them in cars today even if they weren't mandatory. Which are both absurd.

So your argument is that no advocate should ever get credit for helping something come to fruition because someone else will probably do it years later?  That's like saying Isaac Newton shouldn't get credit for inventing calculus because Gottfried Leibniz would have done it too.

Even if you're right that seat belts were "inevitably going to happen," that still ignores all the people's lives who would have been saved between the time that seat belts DID happen and when they would have happened.  Considering how many people get in car accidents each year, that's a lot of people.

Anyway, I agree with shua for the main topic here.  It sounds more like he was making an analysis about American history than giving his personal views.
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2016, 12:41:28 PM »

I echo clash's comments in here, which is bizarre and very rare.
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