VT-SEN: Scott Milne in

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

http://m.dailyjournal.net/view/story/2a4ecb304e804bb8af0977354bfe05a8/US--Senate-2016-Vermont

This is the guy that almost beat Gov. Shumlin in 2014. Keep an eye on the race.

[IceSpear]

Leahy is not Shumlin and a governor's race is not a Senate race. Super Safe D.

[RINO Tom]

Leahy is not Shumlin and a governor's race is not a Senate race. Super Safe D.

Agreed, the VT hicks will deliver it for Leahy.

[Heisenberg]

Senate races are far more partisan than governor races, plus Leahy is far more popular than Shumlin, and it's a presidential year. And, since the 17th amendment was ratified, Vermonters have never ousted an incumbent Senator. Safe D. I wish he went for Lieutenant Governor instead.

[Maxwell]

Huh, Vermont Republicans are having a decent year - a strong nominee for Governor and a semi-decent sacrificial lamb for Senate? That's pretty solid.

[IceSpear]

Leahy is not Shumlin and a governor's race is not a Senate race. Super Safe D.

Agreed, the VT hicks will deliver it for Leahy.

LOL

Well, at least they're Socialist VT Hicks and not Racist VT Hicks.

[Heisenberg]

Huh, Vermont Republicans are having a decent year - a strong nominee for Governor and a semi-decent sacrificial lamb for Senate? That's pretty solid.

They got popular Lt. Gov Phil Scott to run. Milne did well in 2014 and has name recognition. Any Vermont Republican other than those two, (plus Jim Douglas and Brian Dubie) is a sacrificial lamb, of course.

[RINO Tom]

Leahy is not Shumlin and a governor's race is not a Senate race. Super Safe D.

Agreed, the VT hicks will deliver it for Leahy.

LOL

Well, at least they're Socialist VT Hicks and not Racist VT Hicks.

I don't think you carried the type of shame (as a Democrat) when West Virginia was a solidly Democratic state as you are expecting Republicans to now, haha.  I also don't think Republicans spent nearly as much time railing on WV when it wasn't in their column either.

[ElectionsGuy]

He should've run for a lower office. Any Republican running for a federal office in Vermont is wasting their time.

[Mr.Phips]

He may be able to keep Leahy below 70%.

[Skye]

Why waste his time?

[RINO Tom]

He should've run for a lower office. Any Republican running for a federal office in Vermont is wasting their time.

They said that about Democrats a few decades before they took over the state; maybe a surprisingly good run by him revives the once dominant party.

[ElectionsGuy]

He should've run for a lower office. Any Republican running for a federal office in Vermont is wasting their time.

They said that about Democrats a few decades before they took over the state; maybe a surprisingly good run by him revives the once dominant party.

Not with Donald Trump at the top of the ticket. Its clear that with the way Vermont is politically, they won't come close to electing a Republican, especially with the direction of the party.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

He should've run for a lower office. Any Republican running for a federal office in Vermont is wasting their time.

They said that about Democrats a few decades before they took over the state; maybe a surprisingly good run by him revives the once dominant party.

Not with Donald Trump at the top of the ticket. Its clear that with the way Vermont is politically, they won't come close to electing a Republican, especially with the direction of the party.

Uh, the governor's race should be very competitive.

[ElectionsGuy]

He should've run for a lower office. Any Republican running for a federal office in Vermont is wasting their time.

They said that about Democrats a few decades before they took over the state; maybe a surprisingly good run by him revives the once dominant party.

Not with Donald Trump at the top of the ticket. Its clear that with the way Vermont is politically, they won't come close to electing a Republican, especially with the direction of the party.

Uh, the governor's race should be very competitive.

I meant at the national level.

[JMT]

Vermont Republicans actually have a pretty decent statewide lineup despite the fact it's a presidential year in extremely liberal Vermont. Lt. Gov Phil Scott running for governor (and he has a real chance), Randy Brock running for Lt. Gov (a former state auditor, state senator and 2012 nominee for Governor) and Scott Milne running for Senate (who came really close to winning the Gov race last year). So even if most (or all) of these guys lose, at least VT Republicans can say they put up some good candidates this cycle. 

[Vega]

Yeah, this is a really curious choice on his part. He should have chosen literally any other elective office.

[IceSpear]

Yeah, this is a really curious choice on his part. He should have chosen literally any other elective office.

It's not like Milne is a particularly strong candidate, and I don't think he's very bright either judging from a lot of the statements and decisions he's made. He's a some dude that did well because a) it was 2014 and b) he was Not Peter Shumlin. And it tells you something that single payer is so toxic in ultra liberal Vermont of all places that the incumbent governor nearly lost re-election to a some dude from a crippled political party for merely proposing it. Yet apparently, it's supposed to work nationally with a closely divided country and a right wing Congress, if we just scream loud enough.

I really wish the media pressed Sanders harder on why single payer failed in his own home state and what he did (if anything) to try to save it. IIRC, when it was mentioned in the debate he just shrugged it off and blamed Shumlin.

[Xing]

Is he hoping that enough Sanders supporting Democrats stay home for him to pull off an upset? He's not beating someone like Leahy. Gubernatorial races are not senate races.

[Figueira]

Yeah, this is a really curious choice on his part. He should have chosen literally any other elective office.

It's not like Milne is a particularly strong candidate, and I don't think he's very bright either judging from a lot of the statements and decisions he's made. He's a some dude that did well because a) it was 2014 and b) he was Not Peter Shumlin. And it tells you something that single payer is so toxic in ultra liberal Vermont of all places that the incumbent governor nearly lost re-election to a some dude from a crippled political party for merely proposing it. Yet apparently, it's supposed to work nationally with a closely divided country and a right wing Congress, if we just scream loud enough.

I really wish the media pressed Sanders harder on why single payer failed in his own home state and what he did (if anything) to try to save it. IIRC, when it was mentioned in the debate he just shrugged it off and blamed Shumlin.

I think single payer is hard to pull off in individual states for various reasons. However, I agree that it's never going to happen as long as the Republicans are even partially in charge, unfortunately. However, I don't think that's a particularly strong argument against Sanders.

[Kingpoleon]

Yeah, this is a really curious choice on his part. He should have chosen literally any other elective office.

It's not like Milne is a particularly strong candidate, and I don't think he's very bright either judging from a lot of the statements and decisions he's made. He's a some dude that did well because a) it was 2014 and b) he was Not Peter Shumlin. And it tells you something that single payer is so toxic in ultra liberal Vermont of all places that the incumbent governor nearly lost re-election to a some dude from a crippled political party for merely proposing it. Yet apparently, it's supposed to work nationally with a closely divided country and a right wing Congress, if we just scream loud enough.

I really wish the media pressed Sanders harder on why single payer failed in his own home state and what he did (if anything) to try to save it. IIRC, when it was mentioned in the debate he just shrugged it off and blamed Shumlin.

Milne wasn't a some dude. In 2006, he almost lost to Shumlin in a State House seat by about a hundred votes(.5%). Furthermore, his parents served a combined seven years in the House.

That said, maybe Dubie will run in 2018 if Sanders retires.

[Vega]

Yeah, this is a really curious choice on his part. He should have chosen literally any other elective office.

It's not like Milne is a particularly strong candidate, and I don't think he's very bright either judging from a lot of the statements and decisions he's made. He's a some dude that did well because a) it was 2014 and b) he was Not Peter Shumlin. And it tells you something that single payer is so toxic in ultra liberal Vermont of all places that the incumbent governor nearly lost re-election to a some dude from a crippled political party for merely proposing it. Yet apparently, it's supposed to work nationally with a closely divided country and a right wing Congress, if we just scream loud enough.

I really wish the media pressed Sanders harder on why single payer failed in his own home state and what he did (if anything) to try to save it. IIRC, when it was mentioned in the debate he just shrugged it off and blamed Shumlin.

I mean, a small state like Vermont or any state is going to have trouble going it alone on Single Payer. They got next to no support, and because of that, it did fail. That wouldn't be a problem if it was introduced federally for the whole country.

And to say Shumlin came so close to losing in 2014 nearly completely because of health care reform is a fantasy. He wasn't that likable a guy, it was a tremendous wave year.

I do wish Sanders had just used Conyers' plan for single payer system. It's really bizarre that he didn't, he could have touted a bill that had about 50 co-sponsors and a Democratic house hold name attached to it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Keep an eye on the race.

Lol.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

And it tells you something that single payer is so toxic in ultra liberal Vermont of all places that the incumbent governor nearly lost re-election to a some dude from a crippled political party for merely proposing it. Yet apparently, it's supposed to work nationally with a closely divided country and a right wing Congress, if we just scream loud enough.

I really wish the media pressed Sanders harder on why single payer failed in his own home state and what he did (if anything) to try to save it. IIRC, when it was mentioned in the debate he just shrugged it off and blamed Shumlin.

That was on topic. Do I sense an axe to grind?

[RINO Tom]

Are we seriously suggesting that a relatively fiscally efficient and tiny, homogeneous state with a large liberal majority who's in agreement about a lot of issues like VT would have a harder time rolling out single payer than our federal government?