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Question: What do you plan on doing in November?
#1
Voting for Hillary Clinton
 
#2
Voting for Jill Stein
 
#3
Voting for Trump
 
#4
Voting for someone else/write-in
 
#5
Not voting
 
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« on: June 10, 2016, 02:47:37 PM »

Voting for Hillary unconditionally.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,044
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 07:35:51 AM »

Write-in unless Hillary picks Warren as her running-mate.

But it's the Hillary supporters are the whiny sore winners. Roll Eyes
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,044
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 07:39:45 AM »

Write-in unless Hillary picks Warren as her running-mate.

Dude, you seriously want to live with President Drumpf? You don't even have the excuse that your State won't be in play.

No, a write-in does not equal a vote for Trump.  I don't like Sanders that much and Hillary is even worse.  If the Democrats want my vote, they should've run someone worth voting for.  I don't need an excuse for casting a protest vote, it's a perfectly legitimate use of one's vote.  I have an open mind and want to be convinced that Hillary's not as bad I think (obviously Trump is way worse, but that's beside the point), but that hasn't happened yet.  So with all due respect, folks like BRTD, Bedstuy, and yourself can take your entitled, patronizing whining and stick it where the sun don't shine Smiley  The Democratic Party isn't entitled to my vote and neither is Hillary.  

Try making a case for Hillary.  It'd also be nice to see her supporters acknowledge and address the legitimate concerns about her (such as her hawkishness, her use of race-baiting, the e-mail scandal, etc) instead of just acting like she's the messiah.  FTR, I do think she has to deal with far more crap than many politicians due to the fact that she's a woman, but there are plenty of legitimate criticisms that her supporters seem unable or unwilling to address.

Enough reason to vote for her bus to replace Scalia.

Her hawkishness? http://www.vox.com/world/2016/5/27/11608580/donald-trump-foreign-policy-war-iraq-hillary-clinton

Race baiting? Who won the black vote in a landslide?

And you dislike her over s Republican witch hunt issue?
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 113,044
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2016, 11:10:16 PM »

If Trump ran as a Democrat but had the exact same campaign, he'd never win the nomination, so it's a moot scenario. Actually I should ask who should I vote for if not Hillary? The implication seems to be I shouldn't because I don't think she'd be that great of a President, but that's not really the point to me. Because if Hillary simply implements generic Democrat policies and basically functions as Obama's third term (and I don't see any indication otherwise), then that's perfectly fine to me, and it goes without saying about how that is in comparison to a Trump presidency. That's the reason for my "hackery", not just blind party loyalty. I've said before that Hillary wouldn't even make my top 25 list of people I'd want to be President, even if just limited to political figures with a large enough profile to run, but being a crybaby and refusing to vote for her when she'd be at worst something like 75% as good as Obama especially in comparison to Trump is a pretty mind-bogglingly illogical action.

As far as her 2008 campaign goes, blaming her for the actions of her dumbest supporters is no more logical than blaming Sanders for those infamously idiot "Bernie Bro" Reddit supporters of his, and there's no reason to believe she supported any Birther or "Obama is a Muslim" rumors especially since those obviously did not help her in the Democratic primary. She did surround herself with some pretty odious (and in hindsight, hilariously incompetent) people like Mark Penn and Harold Ickes, but she's stayed far away from this time. I'm convinced that Hillary in 2008 was at worse a tragic villain, someone who probably had good intentions in her pursuit of power (I mostly certainly believe Hillary believed she was the most qualified person to be President in 2008 after all) and made some questionable moral decisions, but holy sh!t, how on Earth does that make her any worse than me? I'm reminded of a FANTASTIC Barney Frank quote from 2004, when he was asked how he could support John Kerry (during the primary) despite Kerry's then opposition to gay marriage. He replied "I've only voted for a perfect person once in my life. Once I ran for re-election, I wasn't perfect anymore."

But beyond all that, Obama has obviously forgiven her and the black community has, so some white person still holding it against her is almost kind of condescending. And judging her by her record after that, I don't see any issues. After all she was a fantastic Secretary of State, and seeing as how the people who tend to condemn her tenure as that as "too hawkish" tend to be the "RIP Gaddaffi Sad FF" types it's pretty clear why I don't take them seriously. Before his Senate career Obama had ties to the Daley machine and to the extremely odious slumlord and felon Tony Rezko, but none of that had any bearing on how he did as President and was a pointless thing to judge 2008 Obama on. And I think it's pretty obvious Hillary is not going to reveal herself as a closeted white supremacist after taking office, making her 2008 campaign completely moot today.

But ultimately the main reason why I wouldn't vote for anyone else is because from a point of pure rationality, there is no harm to me. Voting for Hillary, even if I didn't particularly like her (let's imagine this is 2008 and she won the nomination and I had plenty of bile toward her, but obviously would've voted for her over McCain in November) causes no harm to me whatsoever. So if she's the most tolerable candidate who has a chance of winning, for what reason do I have to note vote for her? I seriously can't think of any reason following basic rules of logic.
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