Singer Grimmie dies after Florida shooting, suspect dead

[MT Treasurer]

4 shootings in FL in the last 3 days... WTF?!

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-idUSKCN0YX046

[All Along The Watchtower]

Apparently the gunman didn't even know her. Sounds like a case of some pathetic loser wanting a woman that he could never have, realizing that reality, and deciding to "punish" her for the crime of not knowing he existed.

RIP.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

So young, so talented.  I was never really a listener of hers, but something about this tragedy just bothers me - maybe because we're close in age and I was an avid Voice watcher.  A bright future taken by the hand of some nutjob.

May she rest in peace.

[Tender Branson]

Her killer has quite the Austrian last name ...

Anyway, that's very sad.

RIP.

[Meclazine for Israel]

What is going on with gun control in Orlando?

[Joe Republic]

What is going on with gun control in Orlando?

There isn't any.

[Free Bird]

What is going on with gun control in Orlando?

There is too much.

FTFY

[Joe Republic]

Do not "fix" what isn't broken, especially if your idea of fixing something unbroken is to break it.

[Free Bird]

Do not "fix" what isn't broken, especially if your idea of fixing something unbroken is to break it.

If you make it harder for good people to get weapons, only bad people will get them because they'll ignore the rules.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Do not "fix" what isn't broken, especially if your idea of fixing something unbroken is to break it.

If you make it harder for good people to get weapons, only bad people will get them because they'll ignore the rules.

Maybe, just maybe, if nightclubs had to let people bring guns in while they drank, we'd have brought something like what happened here or at the Pulse to a quicker end.  I doubt it, but for the benefit of argument, I'll entertain the possibility.  What is not in doubt that we would easily have vastly more shootings happening at nightclubs than we already do, more than enuf to more than offset any possible savings in human lives from such a policy, but because at most such shootings would only make the local news, it wouldn't create the uproar which I guess is what you're wanting to do.  As tragic as what happened here and at the Pulse is, more tragic to me are the thousands that die each year in ones or twos all over America.  That and not spectacles such as these is what any change in gun policy in this country needs to address.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Do not "fix" what isn't broken, especially if your idea of fixing something unbroken is to break it.

If you make it harder for good people to get weapons, only bad people will get them because they'll ignore the rules.

Except in the case of the real world where we live in, rather than in the land of inane sloganeering.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Do not "fix" what isn't broken, especially if your idea of fixing something unbroken is to break it.

If you make it harder for good people to get weapons, only bad people will get them because they'll ignore the rules.

Strangely that's not how it works in every other civilized country.

[Joe Republic]

Rest of the world: "Uh oh, there's quite a lot of guns around here. We should probably reduce those before more people get hurt."

USA: "Guns for everybody! You get a gun! And you get a gun! Everybody gets a gun! What's that? There's been a hundred shootings this week? Well... um... More guns for everybody!!"

[ingemann]

It's interesting to look at the two different episodes of violence in Florida. Because they're quite different in how a draconic gun control would have effected them.

In this case this woman would likely not have died, it's much harder to kill a person with a knife than a gun, and even if the guy got a gun illegal, he would be unlikely to have any training with it.

In the Orlando Massacre on the other hand, a planned act of terror, our experience with terror in Europe, tells us that gun control have less effect on such acts of violence. Planned act of terror on strangers are simply harder to deal with than opportunistic killing of specific individuals.

[Free Bird]

Rest of the world: "Uh oh, there's quite a lot of guns around here. We should probably reduce those before more people get hurt."

USA: "Guns for everybody! You get a gun! And you get a gun! Everybody gets a gun! What's that? There's been a hundred shootings this week? Well... um... More guns for everybody!!"

You never cease to be a condescending asshole, eh Joe. Fewer guns =/= lower crime. Indeed our violent crime has been at a 40 year low since gun ownership began to increase.

Background checks are fine. After all, the citizen militia has to be well-regulated. I was more speaking of instances outside of this one. Armed security guards certainly would have been nice though. But in an area like inner city Chicago, where most of the gun crime of this country occurs, and where it is nearly impossible to obtain a weapon legally, people can't defend themselves from thugs and other sorts of criminals that don't care about restrictions or steal their weapons.

I want to stop gang violence AND mass shootings, and improving the readiness for GOOD people to get weapons to stop bad people seems reasonable.

[Joe Republic]

Background checks are fine. After all, the citizen militia has to be well-regulated.

Oh cool, how's that working out so far?

[SATW]

This story bothers me for the reasons that  a.scott stated. RIP.

[Boston Bread]

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Increase in gun ownership compared to when?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-gun-industrys-biggest-threat-is-neither-obama-nor-clinton-2016-06-13?link=sfmw_tw

[MaxQue]

Rest of the world: "Uh oh, there's quite a lot of guns around here. We should probably reduce those before more people get hurt."

USA: "Guns for everybody! You get a gun! And you get a gun! Everybody gets a gun! What's that? There's been a hundred shootings this week? Well... um... More guns for everybody!!"

You never cease to be a condescending asshole, eh Joe. Fewer guns =/= lower crime. Indeed our violent crime has been at a 40 year low since gun ownership began to increase.

Gun ownership is going down, not up (not to confuse with the nuber of guns owned). There is less people owning guns, but the average gun owner owns more than before.