Mass shooting at LGBT nightclub in Orlando.

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I would avoid speculating on any possible political ramifications for the moment. Mostly for reasons of taste, you know?

Fycking awful news.

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Let's avoid leaping to conclusions and joining dots that may very well not be there until we know more. Right now we know really very little and a lot of false rumours often spread themselves about after this kind of crime. I mean other than that this is an appalling atrocity and that clearly the man responsible did not particularly like gay men. We can be pretty sure of those things.

Maybe he was an Islamist, maybe he wasn't. If he was it doesn't mean he was necessarily a member of a larger organisation. If he was it doesn't mean it worse than if he wasn't.

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I.e. the fact that Brevik (for instance) was a one-man Neo-Nazi cell doesn't make what he did any better than if he had been a member of an actual Neo-Nazi organisation with a hierarchy and a membership list. Let's avoid thinking like securocrats, hmm...?

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Gun control didn't stop the Paris attacks, or the brussels attacks. This was islamic terrorism, again and again and again.  Lets not pussyfoot the issue.

I don't want to get into political arguments over this, but France's domestic terrorism problem (which is mostly an Islamist thing if not exclusively) would be even worse were access to firearms (that aren't used to shoot songbirds) easier.

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It's unlikely that he was a member of a larger organisation, he fit the profile of self radicalised Islamist solo terrorists. They usual declare their allegiance to the most high profile Islamist terror organisation before they commit their act of terror. But they're unlikely to have been contact with the organisation (at most they have been in contact with non-terrorist radicals) and they select the target on their own.

A similar pattern applies to far right terrorism of course (not just Brevik but also e.g. David Copeland or all the sad losers that still get arrested in every six months or so here after trying to buy explosives on the internet).

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Wow.. not to get too political but this may swing the election.

A period of silence on your part would be welcome.

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The main difference is that far-right terrorist usual don't swear allegiance to some organisation, they seem to take pride in the fact, that they're lone wolves.

More of an emphasis on the idea of the individual's will and so on in their propaganda I suppose.

They're also less likely to realise that trying to buy explosives over the internet is a bit stupid.

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You're assuming a level of organisational capacity far greater than that which any violent Islamist organisation could plausibly have. Sleeper cells? Moles? This is not the Cold War, they are not the KGB.

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Which you and your kind have absolutely been doing as well. If you want to be an arsehole, fine. I guess that's your right. Try not to be a hypocrite as well.

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Tolerate?

A fascinating choice of word, given that, as we all know, the point about toleration is that it is conditional and can be withdrawn.

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Terrorist in general fail because of their own stupidity in the planning phase, my municipality alone have had two (Islamist) terror cells, which have failed because they ordered large amount of fertiliser.

There was a guy over here convicted last year; he'd been arrested after walking into a cookshop and buying the biggest scariest looking knife he could find. As he'd never been in before, obviously wasn't a professional chef and was acting as shiftily as hell, naturally the staff called the police as soon as he left the shop and he was arrested on arrival home...