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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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« on: June 12, 2016, 12:30:51 PM »

The terror watch list weapon ban would have been unconstitutional, as good of an idea as it is.

Well perhaps the problem is the Constitution itself.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,739
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2016, 02:00:23 PM »

There are some sick people. 50 people are dead and all some people are worried about is protecting guns. It's more difficult to obtain permits to open a business than it is to get a gun, so it's clear that we have a real problem that needs to be addressed.

And it doesn't matter who the shooter pledged allegiance to. It would be just as bad if he was a viewer of the 700 Club.

Yeah because of course liberals want to take away my rights,but allow radicalized Muslims intent on killing americans into the country no questions asked.

Disarm me and allow the bad guys to come on in.

"No questions asked?" Where do you come up with this dopey garbage?

Just because we don't support banning all people of a certain religion from entering the country doesn't mean we're not interested in rigorous screening processes or keeping the country safe.

Banning all Muslims is not a proportional response to the problem at hand, and would actually create a far more dangerous situation.

Secondly, no one wants to take away your f-cking guns, but cling to them all you want. An assault weapons ban is not ridiculous. Keeping guns from people with a history of mental health challenges should not be controversial. The terrorist watch list thing is a little more tricky, because there isn't any proof that these folks are guilty of anything, but, I mean, if you're willing to ban a whole religion from entering the country without proof of wrong-doing, keeping guns away from suspected terrorists is a drop in the bucket.

So kindly GTFO.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,739
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2016, 02:08:45 PM »

Shootings like this really, really hit home when it's your social community that is the victim of the attack.

I here you.  Way worse than corralling a six year old into a corner with their friends at school and shooting them in the face.

Would you shut up with your moron logic for once? I'd make a very serious personal attack here, but I don't want to get banned. People are dead. Twice as many as the situation you cite.

Take your own advice.

Free forum.  Doesn't matter to me whether someone is black, white, gay, Christian, Muslim, child, adult.  These incidents are horrific and I don't agree with what the previous poster said.  Difference from you is I don't need to use words like "moron" to express myself.

Well that's because wifikitten isn't a moron.

Picking on someone for feeling like a tragedy personally hits a little closer to home because the attacker targetted a group that they're a part of is just mean-spirited.

I will be going to pride events in a few weeks, probably a night club. My parents don't know I'm gay because I'm terrified to tell them about it. My boyfriend is still sometimes hesitant to even hold hands in public because there are assholes out there who harass us when we do.

Gay clubs are a place we can go to find a bit of refuge and not worry. We can be ourselves. Except now I'm even scared to go there, despite the fact that the odds are significantly less likely that a similar situation would unfold in Vancouver... thanks in no small part to my country's gun laws.

The point is, I am a part of this community that was targeted, and it is affecting me more than an attack against another community might. Too f-cking bad if that offends your sensibilities.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,739
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2016, 02:28:14 PM »

There are some sick people. 50 people are dead and all some people are worried about is protecting guns. It's more difficult to obtain permits to open a business than it is to get a gun, so it's clear that we have a real problem that needs to be addressed.

And it doesn't matter who the shooter pledged allegiance to. It would be just as bad if he was a viewer of the 700 Club.

Yeah because of course liberals want to take away my rights,but allow radicalized Muslims intent on killing americans into the country no questions asked.

Disarm me and allow the bad guys to come on in.

"No questions asked?" Where do you come up with this dopey garbage?

Just because we don't support banning all people of a certain religion from entering the country doesn't mean we're not interested in rigorous screening processes or keeping the country safe.

Banning all Muslims is not a proportional response to the problem at hand, and would actually create a far more dangerous situation.

Secondly, no one wants to take away your f-cking guns, but cling to them all you want. An assault weapons ban is not ridiculous. Keeping guns from people with a history of mental health challenges should not be controversial. The terrorist watch list thing is a little more tricky, because there isn't any proof that these folks are guilty of anything, but, I mean, if you're willing to ban a whole religion from entering the country without proof of wrong-doing, keeping guns away from suspected terrorists is a drop in the bucket.

So kindly GTFO.

People with certified mental health challenges arent able to freely buy firearms.  The issue is that the left decided to water down our mental health system so much that actually bring certified mentally ill is damn near impossible.  

What's an assault weapon?    Automatic firearms have been banned since the 1930s and Reagan followed up on it in 1986.

Liberals have no freaking clue.


Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher mount
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Detachable magazine.

And you're right. The above means literally nothing to me, because I think gun ownership frankly appeals to humankind's most barbaric tendencies.

Even so, I understand the intent of the Second Amendment and generally support it. That doesn't mean we can't keep the most dangerous guns off the street, and the above are now legal to possess even though they were not for a decent period of time before 2004. I have no problems bringing this ban back. You'd still be able to buy a gun to protect yourself.

As for mental health, someone struggling with depression doesn't need to be branded with the label "mentally ill." A conversation with the person's doctor or a look at their medical records, however, would probably indicate that that person shouldn't have a gun. Makes sense. What's wrong with having this kind of quick investigation be part of the process?
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,739
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2016, 04:20:16 PM »

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, I suppose.  Whatever, this shooting will pass, and we won't change a thing. We won't institute common sense gun control, and we won't do anything about the flow of people into this country who hate our values and want to kill us.

Dude was an American citizen, so what does this have to do with immigration?

Importing thousands upon thousands of people with similar beliefs will surely do nothing but inflame what is going on with Muslims in the US.  It's that simple.

Preventing others from entering the country wouldn't have stopped this from happening. Seriously, you are trying to tie two issues that aren't related to each other whatsoever.

Yes, actually.  It would have stopped this from happening.

How, exactly?  The shooter was American.

His parents were not.

GREAT point. The refugees themselves aren't the problem; their hypothetical children are.

Yeah, radicals breed more radicals, who would have thought.  They're both a problem.
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You seriously blaming the parents for this?

YOU said we couldn't have prevented this. The fact is his family immigrated here from Afghanistan. If they hadn't, he wouldnt be here and this shooting wouldnt have happened.  What arent you understanding?

Forgive me, but you actually seem like a fantastic fit for Donald Trump.
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