Should Omar Mateen have been legally allowed to buy a gun on June 10, 2016?
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« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2016, 07:48:52 PM »

No one needs an AR-15 in a domestic capacity, let alone an angry homophobic ISIS supporter.

Think about it.



Now this weapon was used at

1. Sandy Hook
2. San Bernadino
3. Colorado theatre - Batman movie
4. Oregon Community College
5. Santa Monica massacre

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/ar-15-rifle-used-orlando-massacre-has-bloody-pedigree-n590581

It is only designed to kill human beings.

I am a little pissed that he was permitted to buy such a weapon.

Just to imagine the families grief makes me furious about this issue.

Hence why it is a Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs.  All guns are designed to kill.  The only legally defined part of a gun is the action. My hunting rifle has a semiautomatic action.  It fires one shot per trigger pull, just like an AR15.  There are even after market (for the range not for hunting) 10 round magazines.  Being 30-06 instead of .223 makes my rifle a much more powerful weapon on a shot per shot basis.  Should it be banned?  

Magazine limits are a joke.  A somewhat competent shooter loses 4 seconds at most total firing 30 rounds from 1 magazine as 10 each from 3.  Especially since they don't have full automatic capacity, they are walking and shooting.

Other than that we are talking about bans on cosmetic features.  Nothing that actually makes a gun more dangerous.




Thanks TS,

I learnt quite a bit there.

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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2016, 07:51:29 PM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.
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« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2016, 07:52:43 PM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??
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« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2016, 07:55:36 PM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.
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« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2016, 07:56:43 PM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.

Those have always been my goalposts, dopey.
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« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2016, 08:01:55 PM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.

Those have always been my goalposts, dopey.

I'm not a dopey, fascist.

And your goalposts are biaised towards the conclusion you want, so they are totally unusable in debate.
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« Reply #81 on: June 14, 2016, 01:20:36 AM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.

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« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2016, 02:19:55 AM »

Many acts that are perfectly fitting the description of "domestic terrorism" are either overlooked, but described as simple murders/shootings.

If the Columbine shooting (any of recent school shootings) was being perpetrated by a Muslim, media would instantly call it a terrorist act, rather than "just" a "school shooting".

No, if the Columbine shooters had a political agenda with their shooting they would have been called terrorists. Terrorism requires a political motive, such as the Charleston church shooting, oklahoma city, orlando, etc.  (Oops, looks like 2 of those were done by white guys)

Stop moving goalposts to fit your agenda.

What goalposts??

About what "you" consider terrorism.



While other dictionnaries only mention the terror part, not the political one. The very meaning of terrorism is subject to a debate, not everyone agrees with your view.
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« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2016, 10:56:25 AM »

While other dictionnaries only mention the terror part, not the political one. The very meaning of terrorism is subject to a debate, not everyone agrees with your view.
Could you cite to one to make me feel better. When I googled definition of terrorism I'm literally only seeing definitions which include the political motive requirement on the first several pages.
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« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2016, 11:20:24 AM »

Columbine shooters' motivations were essentially as political as Mateen's.
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