Florida gunman was known to frequent club

[Taco Truck 🚚]

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-nightclub-omar-mateen-profile-20160613-story.html

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html#ixzz4BVMouzkV

So this guy used to hang out with gay guys and drink at this club?

[Illiniwek]

It is SO obvious what this guys true feelings were.

[Green Line]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

[Green Line]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

Because people - even dim specimens like this one -are complicated creatures. It's not a matter of nice guy accidentally hears a YouTube channel and becomes a spooky terrorist.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

No, I've acknowledged its role, you just want to make this purely about Islam. Yes, there is a cause, I know plenty of deeply closeted people who have turned violent and angry, usually it's self-harm and self-destruction. But, you're taking the easy way out in this argument.

There's no evidence, as yet, that he was actually in contact with ISIS, he likely acted off his own back, the ISIS claimed credit after the fact. We had the similar process here, during the siege. The guy used ISIS as an excuse, but he'd never had contact with them, and he chose to align himself for maximum attention - the hilarious part though, despite lives being lost, was that he purchased the wrong flag. 

I'm not trying to dilute the responsibility here, but I think the situation deserves more than a knee-jerk reaction.

[Taco Truck 🚚]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

[Kevin]

The gunman apparently praised the 9/11 attacks while in high school.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/orlando-club-shooter-cheered-terrorists-9-11-article-1.2672008

[Green Line]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

So.. 1 = another?

[Taco Truck 🚚]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

I don't understand why you are saying no.  You are agreeing with me.  Yeah maybe there are some "normal healthy" people who support ISIS, but that doesn't mean that describes everyone who supports them.  How are you such an expert on this individual guy?  Why don't you call the FBI up and tell them to stop their investigation and tell them you have all the answers?  Why are you afraid of this investigation and people posting the results?

[Green Line]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

I don't understand why you are saying no.  You are agreeing with me.  Yeah maybe there are some "normal healthy" people who support ISIS, but that doesn't mean that describes everyone who supports them.  How are you such an expert on this individual guy?  Why don't you call the FBI up and tell them to stop their investigation and tell them you have all the answers?  Why are you afraid of this investigation and people posting the results?

You could have posted this in the main thread if you were so concerned about just posting the results.  You're trying to make a political point, it's obvious.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

IMHO, he probably was closeted and HATED himself deeply for it, he started listening to Da'esh recruiters as an outlet to express his self-hatred and shamefulness and eventually was lured into committing this sickening atrocity.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

IMHO, he probably was closeted and HATED himself deeply for it, he started listening to Da'esh recruiters as an outlet to express his self-hatred and shamefulness and eventually was lured into committing this sickening atrocity.

Honestly - that shorthands my view of this pretty brilliantly.

[Taco Truck 🚚]

I don't understand why you are saying no.  You are agreeing with me.  Yeah maybe there are some "normal healthy" people who support ISIS, but that doesn't mean that describes everyone who supports them.  How are you such an expert on this individual guy?  Why don't you call the FBI up and tell them to stop their investigation and tell them you have all the answers?  Why are you afraid of this investigation and people posting the results?

You could have posted this in the main thread if you were so concerned about just posting the results.  You're trying to make a political point, it's obvious.

WTF?!

You are projecting man.  I thought this was a pretty startling data point and I thought it deserved it's own thread.  You are the one that derailed this thread with all your politics.  There is plenty of arguing back and forth about guns and Islam in several threads.  If you want to argue about that go to those 10 other threads.  No one mentioned ISIS or Islam until you stormed in here.  The only person with a hard on to talk about the politics of Islam is you, so just leave.

[MaxQue]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

Not in America. Studying who and why some people radicalize is important to be able to identify future terrorists BEFORE they kill people.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

In a lot of instances pledging support to ISIS is the effect... not the cause.  Normal healthy people who have a good life don't usually just pledge support to ISIS.  Looking for a cause doesn't somehow magically erase the 911 call where he mentioned his support for ISIS.  Don't worry this thread in no way threatens your Islamophobia.

If you look around the world, youll find that a lot of normal, healthy people have pledged their support for ISIS, so no.

I don't understand why you are saying no.  You are agreeing with me.  Yeah maybe there are some "normal healthy" people who support ISIS, but that doesn't mean that describes everyone who supports them.  How are you such an expert on this individual guy?  Why don't you call the FBI up and tell them to stop their investigation and tell them you have all the answers?  Why are you afraid of this investigation and people posting the results?

You could have posted this in the main thread if you were so concerned about just posting the results.  You're trying to make a political point, it's obvious.

He posted it because it's significant and relevant to the situation.  If you don't like it, then do everybody a favor and leave.

[Adam Griffin]

Steroids, daddy issues, acting out in public for attention. It sounds like he was horribly repressed and just needed some booty. An all-too-common theme in mass shootings.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Hello Sailor.

This guy had yet to come out of the closet by the looks because of the shame it would have caused his father.

His father's self made weekly national TV anti-gay addresses to the Afghan community drove him insane.

The shooter was caught in a world of watching Rambo III, Julian Clary, ISIS videos and listening to his Dad's anti-gay rhetoric until he went totally mad.

This story is bizarre.

The father-son relationship appears to be a motive or at least a big part of the reasons behind this attack.

[This account no longer in use.]

Yes, this guy definitely has a much more complicated motive than a generic "ISIS radicalized him".

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Witness there said he saw Mateen drinking with some guys and dancing with them previously on CNN.

EDIT: guy is a regular there.

[DINGO Joe]

This makes it more clear that he was only radicalized by ISIS quite recently.

No, it actually makes it even more complicated than it was before.

Not at all. He pledged support to ISIS.  A lot of liberals seem desperate to find any other cause.

You seem incredibly dense or just stupid

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

In a nutshell, Mateeb sounds like a closeted version of the Tsarnaev brothers: angry losers who use radical Islam as a means both to feel a sense of belonging and also deny reality to themselves.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Former classmate says Mateen was interested in him romantically.

Of course, this is pretty much all buzz until the FBI publishes a full report and hopefully deciphers his real intentions.  It won't kill us to maybe put aside the Muslim bashing for a few (just a few?) days.

since politicizing tragedy is bad and stuff