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« on: June 15, 2016, 01:41:05 PM »

What a great speech, Utah Republicans continue to be the most FF Republicans. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283598-utah-republican-apologizes-to-lgbt-community-at-orlando-vigil His speech begins around the 38-39 minute mark.
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 01:50:11 PM »

Wow, great speech.  Spencer Cox for President!
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 01:55:11 PM »

Don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 01:57:31 PM »

This speech explains in essence as to why Trump is struggling in Utah.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 01:58:19 PM »

We need more people like him in our party.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 02:16:52 PM »

According to trends about 45-48% of Utahans will support SSM in 2020. Hopefully this won't damage him then.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 02:31:55 PM »

Don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments
I'm not quite sure what to expect.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 02:45:02 PM »

Don't read the comments don't read the comments don't read the comments

This goes for any article on The Hill. Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 02:52:37 PM »

Massive FF.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 06:41:24 PM »

I do hope that with his newfound compassion he'll be open to pro-LGBT issues and legislation, but FF nonetheless.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2016, 10:20:53 PM »

AND he lovingly quoted Muhammed, followed by Jesus (around 49 minute mark). mega FF!
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2016, 10:15:12 AM »

When will he be primaried?
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 11:16:40 AM »

This is moral courage.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2016, 11:43:58 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2016, 12:02:37 PM »


...when he moves out of Utah.
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2016, 12:39:33 AM »


Difficult to do, as his position is quite in the mainstream of the Mormon Church.
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2016, 12:55:23 AM »


Well, he's on a ticket with the incumbent governor, who in fact is being primaried from the right, so... right now. The gubernatorial challenger is libertarian, but I think with a moralistic streak, dunno about the rival LG, who is only known for school voucher advocacy.

And of course there's the Dems sitting off to the side, already having accepted LGBT people (heck State Senator Jim Dabakis, who is openly gay, used to be the Utah Dem state party chair).
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2016, 01:01:17 AM »

I actually checked on Jonathan Johnson's LG candidate. She does appear to be a single issue candidate.
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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2016, 04:23:08 AM »

Hint to GOP: More of this.
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2016, 10:51:24 AM »

Cox is evidence that there are still good Republicans left. It's just a shame so few get elected these days.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2016, 01:35:12 PM »


How can you post this and then CONSTANTLY advocate for Republicans with this and similar outlooks to leave the party for fear of being lumped in with far right crazies and being "complicit" in their every move and statement?

It's completely contradictory.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2016, 01:18:12 AM »


How can you post this and then CONSTANTLY advocate for Republicans with this and similar outlooks to leave the party for fear of being lumped in with far right crazies and being "complicit" in their every move and statement?

It's completely contradictory.

Because the GOP is unwilling to make the hard choice of having its own Sistah Souljah moment and unequivocally rejecting the reactionary elements of its voter base. Instead, they disrespect the country as a whole by pandering shamelessly to this bloc, and then they disrespect those voters themselves by not even following through on anything they promise them. That is why Donald Trump is your candidate.

I personally would prefer to see a GOP that was essentially the American version of the British Conservative Party - no required position on abortion, acceptance of things like evolution and climate change. People who think the government should tacitly endorse LGBT discrimination because it's in The Bible would ideally be relegated to the fringes of the political landscape and have no major party attempting to win their votes.

But that would require making the kind of changes the GOP hasn't proven it is willing to do.

Putting it another way, if 40-50% of your party are racist, bigoted Trumpkins, why don't you try to bring new people into the GOP to ensure that the Trumpkins are handily outnumbered? Maybe it's because you would have to be more welcoming to people who don't care all that much about abortion and don't think the EPA is an existential threat to their personal liberties.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2016, 01:21:46 AM »

This is really good to see.


How can you post this and then CONSTANTLY advocate for Republicans with this and similar outlooks to leave the party for fear of being lumped in with far right crazies and being "complicit" in their every move and statement?

It's completely contradictory.

Because the GOP is unwilling to make the hard choice of having its own Sistah Souljah moment and unequivocally rejecting the reactionary elements of its voter base. Instead, they disrespect the country as a whole by pandering shamelessly to this bloc, and then they disrespect those voters themselves by not even following through on anything they promise them. That is why Donald Trump is your candidate.

I personally would prefer to see a GOP that was essentially the American version of the British Conservative Party - no required position on abortion, acceptance of things like evolution and climate change. People who think the government should tacitly endorse LGBT discrimination because it's in The Bible would ideally be relegated to the fringes of the political landscape and have no major party attempting to win their votes.

But that would require making the kind of changes the GOP hasn't proven it is willing to do.

Putting it another way, if 40-50% of your party are racist, bigoted Trumpkins, why don't you try to bring new people into the GOP to ensure that the Trumpkins are handily outnumbered? Maybe it's because you would have to be more welcoming to people who don't care all that much about abortion and don't think the EPA is an existential threat to their personal liberties.

You're conflating two different parts of the Republican coalition here.
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2016, 02:20:41 AM »


How can you post this and then CONSTANTLY advocate for Republicans with this and similar outlooks to leave the party for fear of being lumped in with far right crazies and being "complicit" in their every move and statement?

It's completely contradictory.

Because the GOP is unwilling to make the hard choice of having its own Sistah Souljah moment and unequivocally rejecting the reactionary elements of its voter base. Instead, they disrespect the country as a whole by pandering shamelessly to this bloc, and then they disrespect those voters themselves by not even following through on anything they promise them. That is why Donald Trump is your candidate.

I personally would prefer to see a GOP that was essentially the American version of the British Conservative Party - no required position on abortion, acceptance of things like evolution and climate change. People who think the government should tacitly endorse LGBT discrimination because it's in The Bible would ideally be relegated to the fringes of the political landscape and have no major party attempting to win their votes.

But that would require making the kind of changes the GOP hasn't proven it is willing to do.

Putting it another way, if 40-50% of your party are racist, bigoted Trumpkins, why don't you try to bring new people into the GOP to ensure that the Trumpkins are handily outnumbered? Maybe it's because you would have to be more welcoming to people who don't care all that much about abortion and don't think the EPA is an existential threat to their personal liberties.

You're thinking of Cruzites. Trump supporters usually don't care much about abortion or same sex marriage.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2016, 02:30:16 AM »

Trump actually won evangelicals in many state primaries, and he will win them in November.

They've decided to vote for someone who "speaks his mind" even if they don't agree with it, because they think Trump is more likely to keep his promises than a Republican establishment hack.  They trust a pathological liar who at least "seems like he will upset the right people" more than the proven panderers.
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