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« on: December 23, 2003, 12:26:27 PM »

Gustaf, thanks for your support! Remember though that we have heard this anti-Americanism as early as '44 BEFORE the liberation of France, when De Gaulle said the USA cares as much about liberating France as the Russians did about liberating Poland. It was a recurring factor throughout the Cold War, perhaps most notably in the anti-missile protests of the early '80s.

So what causes this? Part of it is envy. Part of it is that the human psychology hates a savior. The USA has rescued Europe from destruction no less than 3 times, but the natural human response is not gratitude, but a perverse hatred, since the fact that it was necessary to be saved implies some kind of inferiority.

In recent years the most marked division btwn Euros and Americans has been over the USA wanting to expand democracy worldwide, and the Europeans led by a France that supposedly believes in the ideals of 1792 supporting every third rate thug or tyrant they can find. In such an atmosphere, the USA has no choice but to ignore European dislike and continue the spread of liberty, which is our founding purpose. In the end, there will be only democracies in the world (I think by the first half of the '20s), and then we can recpnciliate, and, what's more, drudge up the remaining libs from their tombs so that we can work on a framework for a worldwide democrtic government. But while there is tyranny left on Earth, we must ignore all opposition and root it out.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2003, 12:50:35 PM »

The anti-missile protests? Agree. Or do you mean there was a much more notable example of anti-Americanism?
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2003, 12:49:13 PM »

Strasburg in the Elsass-Lothringen? Everyone knows that all of the Zollverein's important policies are enacted in the Reichstag, under the watchful gaze of Kaiser Wilhelm V. Oh, sorry, Guess I Turtledoved off again...

The problem with the EU (well, there are a few, but the biggest) is that it is undemocratic. The Commission was not chosen by ordinary Europeans like Gustaf and Realpolitik, and that is a real problem. The Euros need an elected president and a more powerful parliament, perhaps one that is bicameral like that established by the Connecticut Compromise here in the USA (one with equal representation for all member states, one where more populous states have greater power). However, in principle I have no problem with a democratic European superstate, so long as it, like the USA, is committed to the expansion of democracy and the defeat of tyranny and terrorism.

So, at the battle of Waterloo a Redcoat was shot, and the French captured him. So the French officer says, "Wha are you wearin those silly red clothes, you silly English person? It makes it easy for us to shoot at you, you funny strenge English person!"

So the English mananswers, "Well, you see, old chap, it's quite simple really. The coat is red, so you don't see the blood. Jolly good, eh. what what?"

"Oh, zat is an interesting idea!" Says the Frenchman. Thereafter the French army worre brown panrts into battle.
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