Should it be legal to smash a car window if there's an at risk animal inside?
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« on: June 16, 2016, 10:42:17 PM »

Absolutely. I've heard of a couple cases of this happening and no one ever being charged for it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PM »

Yes but with common-sense limits.

(leaving a dog in a car with a cracked window when it's only 65 degrees for only 20 minutes... no, that's not at-risk)
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 11:48:18 PM »

No criminal penalties. Civil liability for the damage to the window with the possibility of an affirmative defense of necessity to the animal, but the window breaker would need to demonstrate it. In the bad cases, that shouldn't be too hard.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 11:51:48 PM »

No criminal penalties. Civil liability for the damage to the window with the possibility of an affirmative defense of necessity to the animal, but the window breaker would need to demonstrate it. In the bad cases, that shouldn't be too hard.

That sounds about right to me
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2016, 12:12:21 AM »

No criminal penalties. Civil liability for the damage to the window with the possibility of an affirmative defense of necessity to the animal, but the window breaker would need to demonstrate it. In the bad cases, that shouldn't be too hard.

That sounds about right to me
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If I see a dog inside a locked car with no window down and then see that nothing has changed within an hour, one's first instinct should be to call the police of course. They can probably remove a window without breaking it if anyone can.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2016, 12:49:26 AM »

No criminal penalties. Civil liability for the damage to the window with the possibility of an affirmative defense of necessity to the animal, but the window breaker would need to demonstrate it. In the bad cases, that shouldn't be too hard.

Affirmative defense of necessity is exactly where my mind went too. Isn't it great the things that people who share a love of the common law can agree on even when they disagree strongly politically?
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 08:31:14 AM »

Can I add there should be the same rule for babies. Like 12 or so babies die every year from being left in the car too long and dying of heatstroke.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 09:14:16 AM »

Yes. The window can be replaced quickly.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2016, 09:18:01 AM »

Yes. Windows can be easily replaced, unlike an animal's life. If you put a living being at risk, you're responsible for your own window being smashed, not the one who actually did it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2016, 10:21:50 AM »

No criminal penalties. Civil liability for the damage to the window with the possibility of an affirmative defense of necessity to the animal, but the window breaker would need to demonstrate it. In the bad cases, that shouldn't be too hard.

That sounds about right to me

Yep.  I'd expect anyone who seriously thought the animal was in danger of dying and didn't think the police would get there first to act.

Also, Political Debate Forum, anyone??
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2016, 07:37:29 PM »

Can I add there should be the same rule for babies. Like 12 or so babies die every year from being left in the car too long and dying of heatstroke.

Update on this: A 3-year-old just died in a hot car. So I again say this should apply to people also!
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2016, 07:41:06 PM »

Absolutely. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2016, 08:37:50 PM »

Yes.

My grandfather smashed his own window because I got locked in his car with the keys when I was a baby and he couldn't wait ten minutes for the car company to get there. It's very sad that this isn't the case for babies nowadays.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 10:09:12 PM »

Affirmative defense of necessity is exactly where my mind went too. Isn't it great the things that people who share a love of the common law can agree on even when they disagree strongly politically?

Very true my friend. Although I must confess, I'm not sure if my answer is more a love of common law or the daily mental beatings my bar prep course is putting me through.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2016, 01:35:20 AM »

Yes but with common-sense limits.

(leaving a dog in a car with a cracked window when it's only 65 degrees for only 20 minutes... no, that's not at-risk)

This.
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