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Question: Will President Trump build a totalitarian regime?
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Sure he will
 
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No he will not
 
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He will modify the existing state machinery to make it totalitarian
 
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Nothing to build, the totalitarian regime has already been bilt
 
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« on: June 18, 2016, 04:56:18 AM »

My previous poll as well as other discussion materials prove that Trump is an undercover Russsian agent. Is his mission to build a  totalitarian regime?
Here are distinctive features of such a regime:

Having a dictatorship
Employing only one ruling party
Rule through fear
Censorship of media
Propaganda in media, government speeches and through education
Criticism of the state is prohibited
Mandatory military sign up
Secret police forces
Controlling reproduction of the population (either in hopes to increase or to decrease)
Targeting of specific religious or political populations

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 09:50:09 AM »

He will not. TRUMP is a democrat (with a small d).
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2016, 10:33:35 AM »

Trump is a democrat, i. e.  he shares democratic values that are opposite to totalitarian values. Can anyone believe that? 
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2016, 10:51:11 AM »

He will not. TRUMP is a democrat (with a small d).
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2016, 10:52:18 AM »

And by the way: I think any president would be unsuccessfull with that: Congress would impeach him/her.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2016, 10:56:22 AM »

Trump has endorsed very authoritarian policies throughout his campaign. Fortunately, most of his more extreme (basically, most of his) policies would be blocked by Congress.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2016, 10:59:57 AM »


You don't understand the nature of totalitarianism. Legislative organs are imitations that are fully controled by the dictator. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2016, 11:06:48 AM »


You don't understand the nature of totalitarianism. Legislative organs are imitations that are fully controled by the dictator. 

You do realize that every country is not just like Russia?
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2016, 11:43:11 AM »
« Edited: June 18, 2016, 06:55:58 PM by angus »

option 4.

We exchanged liberty for security long ago.  Individuals convicted of sex crimes, for example, who have served the sentences meted out by juries of their peers (as specified in the Constitution), and who have paid their debt to society, are now required to be on publicized "sex offender registry" lists which subject them to harassment.  Moreover, innocent individuals, who have been charged with no crimes, must arrive at airports hours before scheduled departure times only to be probed, prodded, and harassed by government employees--and they must pay 25 dollars per airline ticket for that privilege!  Double jeopardy, a concept that might make James Madison roll over in his grave, is common practice now and has been for at least 20 years.  People are compelled to make insurance companies richer, or pay a fine if they do not choose to purchase medical insurance.  Recently, we have learned that police murder individuals nearly every week, and grand juries repeatedly refuse to indict them.  

Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) merely needs to pick up where his predecessor left off.  The process of devolution from Democratic Republic to Police State is slow and stealthy, and it is supported by the people through their elected legislators, as evidenced by the fact that those voters continue to re-elect their incumbent legislators even as they stoke the flames of sensationalism and paranoia in order to maintain their employment as politicians.  The process started long before The Donald announced his candidacy, and will likely continue long after the next president's term ends.

  
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2016, 12:21:58 PM »
« Edited: June 18, 2016, 02:59:39 PM by egalitt »

option 4.

Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) merely needs to pick where his predecessor left off.  The process of devolution from Democratic Republic to Police State is slow and stealthy... The process started long before The Donald announced his candidacy, and will likely continue long after the next president's term ends.
  

This process is evolution rather than devolution.
You right, it will take long time.
A President to turn into a Dictator must cancel governors' elections; governors must be appointed by Dictator.
The Congress must be filled with Dictator's backers to exclude any opposition.
Mass media must be censored to exclude any  comments against Dictator or his/her accomplices.
Yes,  it will take time, but two presidential terms will be enough.
Your generation will be happy  to live under totalitarian rule.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2016, 12:26:00 PM »

He will not. TRUMP is a democrat (with a small d).

Yes, he does have a small d.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2016, 01:32:57 PM »

He will not. TRUMP is a democrat (with a small d).

Yes, he does have a small d.

To build a totalitarian regime one needs big iq.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2016, 04:10:04 PM »

He wishes, but I don't think he could.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2016, 04:20:30 PM »

option 4.

We exchanged liberty for security for liberty long ago.  Individuals convicted of sex crimes, for example, who have served the sentences doled out by juries of their peers (as specified in the Constitution), and who paid their debt to society, are required to be on publicized "sex offender registry" lists.  Innocent individuals, who are not charged with any crimes, must arrive at airports hours before scheduled departure times only to be probed, prodded, and harassed by government employees (and they must pay 25 dollars per airline ticket for that privilege!)  Double jeopardy, a concept that would make James Madison roll over in his grave, is common practice now and has been for at least 20 years.  People are compelled to make insurance companies richer, or pay a fine if they do not choose to purchase medical insurance.  Police murder individuals nearly every week, and grand juries refuse to indict them. 

Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) merely needs to pick where his predecessor left off.  The process of devolution from Democratic Republic to Police State is slow and stealthy, and it is supported by the people through their elected legislators, as evidenced by the fact that those voters continue to re-elect their incumbent legislators even as they stoke the flames of sensationalism and paranoia in order to maintain their employment as politicians.  The process started long before The Donald announced his candidacy, and will likely continue long after the next president's term ends.
 

True.  Except on guns.  On that one, we made the exact opposite trade off.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2016, 06:45:13 PM »

True.  Except on guns.  On that one, we made the exact opposite trade off.

interesting observation.  I hadn't thought of it.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2016, 07:06:15 PM »

option 4.

We exchanged liberty for security long ago.  Individuals convicted of sex crimes, for example, who have served the sentences meted out by juries of their peers (as specified in the Constitution), and who have paid their debt to society, are now required to be on publicized "sex offender registry" lists which subject them to harassment.  Moreover, innocent individuals, who have been charged with no crimes, must arrive at airports hours before scheduled departure times only to be probed, prodded, and harassed by government employees--and they must pay 25 dollars per airline ticket for that privilege!  Double jeopardy, a concept that might make James Madison roll over in his grave, is common practice now and has been for at least 20 years.  People are compelled to make insurance companies richer, or pay a fine if they do not choose to purchase medical insurance.  Recently, we have learned that police murder individuals nearly every week, and grand juries repeatedly refuse to indict them.  

Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) merely needs to pick up where his predecessor left off.  The process of devolution from Democratic Republic to Police State is slow and stealthy, and it is supported by the people through their elected legislators, as evidenced by the fact that those voters continue to re-elect their incumbent legislators even as they stoke the flames of sensationalism and paranoia in order to maintain their employment as politicians.  The process started long before The Donald announced his candidacy, and will likely continue long after the next president's term ends.

  
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2016, 07:07:25 PM »

My previous poll as well as other discussion materials prove that Trump is an undercover Russsian agent. Is his mission to build a  totalitarian regime?
Here are distinctive features of such a regime:

Having a dictatorship - Obama's executive orders
Employing only one ruling party - Democrat control of Presidency, Senate and House for a few years
Rule through fear - Racist, sexist, Islamophobics are gonna put y'all back in chains
Censorship of media - Or rather, media censors anything critical of Obama
Propaganda in media, government speeches and through education - CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WAPO, Obama's "if if if if if okie doke" meltdown, and the Democratic Youth educated by American Schirachs.
Criticism of the state is prohibited - Hoo boy
Mandatory military sign up - Exception to every rule
Secret police forces - The "protesters" that attack peaceful Trump supporters, who are then victim blamed as "enablers"
Controlling reproduction of the population (either in hopes to increase or to decrease) - Planned Parenthood (as opposed to individuals using condoms or the pill)
Targeting of specific religious or political populations - Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, Homosexuals must vote Democrat no matter what


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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2016, 07:26:53 PM »

Any usurpation of powers not allotted to the President in the constitution would be met with impeachment.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2016, 08:34:55 PM »

The USA political system cannot be turned into such a state.

He wont do this.

Just because he is a self obsessed narcissist, it does not make him a totalitarian fascist.

Trump is more of a populist who wants to return the USA to a more post-WWII nationalist ideal.

What is clear from the ramblings about Trump are people's lack of understanding of the corporate and business world.

Trump is not on the stock market. He is a private entity.

These types of business people are usually sit as an extreme end-member of the personality spectrum in order to be successful.

They usually have some ADHD involved and get up in the morning, pull the rip chain and start yabbering like a lawn mower until they run out of fuel.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2016, 10:25:24 PM »

My previous poll as well as other discussion materials prove that Trump is an undercover Russsian agent. Is his mission to build a  totalitarian regime?
Here are distinctive features of such a regime:

Having a dictatorship - Obama's executive orders
Employing only one ruling party - Democrat control of Presidency, Senate and House for a few years
Rule through fear - Racist, sexist, Islamophobics are gonna put y'all back in chains
Censorship of media - Or rather, media censors anything critical of Obama
Propaganda in media, government speeches and through education - CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WAPO, Obama's "if if if if if okie doke" meltdown, and the Democratic Youth educated by American Schirachs.
Criticism of the state is prohibited - Hoo boy
Mandatory military sign up - Exception to every rule
Secret police forces - The "protesters" that attack peaceful Trump supporters, who are then victim blamed as "enablers"
Controlling reproduction of the population (either in hopes to increase or to decrease) - Planned Parenthood (as opposed to individuals using condoms or the pill)
Targeting of specific religious or political populations - Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, Homosexuals must vote Democrat no matter what





I. e. the poll's question is wrong, it's Clinton who will turn the USA into a totalitarian state.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2016, 11:55:42 PM »

The USA political system cannot be turned into such a state.

He wont do this.

Just because he is a self obsessed narcissist, it does not make him a totalitarian fascist.

Trump is more of a populist who wants to return the USA to a more post-WWII nationalist ideal.

What is clear from the ramblings about Trump are people's lack of understanding of the corporate and business world.

Trump is not on the stock market. He is a private entity.

These types of business people are usually sit as an extreme end-member of the personality spectrum in order to be successful.

They usually have some ADHD involved and get up in the morning, pull the rip chain and start yabbering like a lawn mower until they run out of fuel.


Hitler was also a narcissist, a populist, etc. Actually you describe traits of any dictator.
The essential difference between Hitler and Trump is that the latter doesn't have his own party. But if he is rejected at the National Convention he will have to create one. And this will  be his natural evolution toward a dictatorship.
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2016, 03:50:09 AM »

He would attempt to implement anti-constitutional policies, but probably fail.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2016, 01:53:15 PM »

Any usurpation of powers not allotted to the President in the constitution would be met with impeachment.

Impeachment takes a while.

And it's not hard to see President TrumpMiller going on national TV and listing out the home addresses of the members calling for his impeachment, and saying his cultists need to take some "direct action".

He'd say, "I'm not advocating violence against members of Congress, but if anyone gets arrested while showing them how the public feels, I'll pardon them."
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