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« on: June 18, 2016, 02:03:02 pm »
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Muslim Brotherhood Terrorist Designation Act of 2016

1. The Republic of Atlasia, hereby declares the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization in conjunction with other countries that already have including Russia and Egypt.

2. The Muslim Brotherhood has called for the destruction of Atlasia and its allies and the call for a so called "global jihad."

3. The Republic of Atlasia hereby freezes all money or supplies given to the Muslim Brotherhood if there are any and indefinitely immediately after the passage of this bill.

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2016, 02:10:37 pm »
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personally i'm not a fan of sucking up to dictatorships, but ymmv i guess.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2016, 04:59:16 pm »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 10:07:31 am »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2016, 11:03:06 am »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
Well Gentlemen, since we are run by US law that means according from my knowledge that Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeda are already designated terrorist organizations while The Muslim Brotherhood is not.

personally i'm not a fan of sucking up to dictatorships, but ymmv i guess.
This bill, Ms. Evergreen is not meant to suck up to the tyrannical dictatorships of Russia and Saudi Arabia, rather it is to say we stand in solidarity with the working people and minorities of Egypt and other countries in North Africa after the countless terrorist attacks, hate crimes and human tragedies committed by the Muslim Brotherhood over the few years in which they controlled the state of Egypt.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2016, 01:39:06 pm »
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I was just trying to cover my bases on that Classic. Pm me Classic because I have a proposal I want you to co-sponsor
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2016, 06:14:15 pm »
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Any thoughts from any of our other congresscritters?
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2016, 06:29:57 pm »
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I am of course appalled by the actions of this group but, I am quite reluctant to designate all MB nations and all of their supporters under this wide brush. I feel we could lose our place at the bargaining table and further damage the people this bill is said to protect. I would be in support of part three, as long as it focuses solely on the organization and its development and not on humanitarian causes to nations that may have supporters of it as leaders.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2016, 06:39:31 pm »
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I am of course appalled by the actions of this group but, I am quite reluctant to designate all MB nations and all of their supporters under this wide brush. I feel we could lose our place at the bargaining table and further damage the people this bill is said to protect. I would be in support of part three, as long as it focuses solely on the organization and its development and not on humanitarian causes to nations that may have supporters of it as leaders.
There are NO nations under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood. It has already been banned by a large portion of Sunni States including their former stronghold of Egypt. This bill also focuses solely on the leaders and terrorists who go under the banner of this organization not under the general public who may just have membership in this organization. Let's face it we shouldn't be funding any foreign organization at all when we have a horrible budget situation right now.
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I am of course appalled by the actions of this group but, I am quite reluctant to designate all MB nations and all of their supporters under this wide brush. I feel we could lose our place at the bargaining table and further damage the people this bill is said to protect. I would be in support of part three, as long as it focuses solely on the organization and its development and not on humanitarian causes to nations that may have supporters of it as leaders.
There are NO nations under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood. It has already been banned by a large portion of Sunni States including their former stronghold of Egypt. This bill also focuses solely on the leaders and terrorists who go under the banner of this organization not under the general public who may just have membership in this organization. Let's face it we shouldn't be funding any foreign organization at all when we have a horrible budget situation right now.

We're not funding the Muslim Brotherhood to my knowledge Representative
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 05:42:48 pm »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
Well Gentlemen, since we are run by US law that means according from my knowledge that Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeda are already designated terrorist organizations while The Muslim Brotherhood is not.

personally i'm not a fan of sucking up to dictatorships, but ymmv i guess.
This bill, Ms. Evergreen is not meant to suck up to the tyrannical dictatorships of Russia and Saudi Arabia, rather it is to say we stand in solidarity with the working people and minorities of Egypt and other countries in North Africa after the countless terrorist attacks, hate crimes and human tragedies committed by the Muslim Brotherhood over the few years in which they controlled the state of Egypt.

the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten. and it is arguable whether their actions have caused more harm than the preceding or succeeding regimes.

and this bill is not only morally unsound, but also strategically unsound, as it would inevitably stir up more anti-atlasian sentiment among the people of the middle east.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2016, 05:56:55 pm »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
Well Gentlemen, since we are run by US law that means according from my knowledge that Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeda are already designated terrorist organizations while The Muslim Brotherhood is not.

personally i'm not a fan of sucking up to dictatorships, but ymmv i guess.
This bill, Ms. Evergreen is not meant to suck up to the tyrannical dictatorships of Russia and Saudi Arabia, rather it is to say we stand in solidarity with the working people and minorities of Egypt and other countries in North Africa after the countless terrorist attacks, hate crimes and human tragedies committed by the Muslim Brotherhood over the few years in which they controlled the state of Egypt.

the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten. and it is arguable whether their actions have caused more harm than the preceding or succeeding regimes.

and this bill is not only morally unsound, but also strategically unsound, as it would inevitably stir up more anti-atlasian sentiment among the people of the middle east.
And the people revolted, Ms. Evergreen and his government was removed from office and this organization was banned.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2016, 06:12:14 pm »
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Smart idea, I'd also add Hamas, Hezbuallah, and Al Quida.
Well Gentlemen, since we are run by US law that means according from my knowledge that Hamas, Hizbollah and Al-Qaeda are already designated terrorist organizations while The Muslim Brotherhood is not.

personally i'm not a fan of sucking up to dictatorships, but ymmv i guess.
This bill, Ms. Evergreen is not meant to suck up to the tyrannical dictatorships of Russia and Saudi Arabia, rather it is to say we stand in solidarity with the working people and minorities of Egypt and other countries in North Africa after the countless terrorist attacks, hate crimes and human tragedies committed by the Muslim Brotherhood over the few years in which they controlled the state of Egypt.

the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten. and it is arguable whether their actions have caused more harm than the preceding or succeeding regimes.

and this bill is not only morally unsound, but also strategically unsound, as it would inevitably stir up more anti-atlasian sentiment among the people of the middle east.
And the people revolted, Ms. Evergreen and his government was removed from office and this organization was banned.

that's an outright propagandistic description of events.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2016, 10:14:15 am »
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This is a great bill.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2016, 10:30:44 am »
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I motion for a final vote.
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I motion for a final vote.
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I believe that there is still debate going on, and I am reluctant to move to a final vote already.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2016, 01:33:34 pm »
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I believe that there is still debate going on, and I am reluctant to move to a final vote already.
There hasn't been any debate on this issue in almost two days. We have to get moving, Mr. Speaker. We are not going to be a lame duck congress. The people elected us to do our job let's do it and then move on to other important issues including Zika, Tax Reform, Regulatory Reform, Criminal Justice Reform, Blood Donation and Foreign Affairs.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2016, 01:54:06 pm »
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I'll extend debate for an additional 24 hours. After that, we will move to a final vote if there are no objections.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2016, 02:43:00 pm »
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For all Representatives it's worth noting that the Muslim Brotherhood is actually not classed as a terrorist group by several important groups Including the ADL

The Muslim Brotherhood are an awful group who promote a backwards ideology that counters Atlasia's proud values- however this debate isn't on whether we agree. It's whether our two chambers believe they're a terrorist group.

I've yet to see any evidence
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2016, 03:00:04 pm »
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For all Representatives it's worth noting that the Muslim Brotherhood is actually not classed as a terrorist group by several important groups Including the ADL

The Muslim Brotherhood are an awful group who promote a backwards ideology that counters Atlasia's proud values- however this debate isn't on whether we agree. It's whether our two chambers believe they're a terrorist group.

I've yet to see any evidence

"The Muslim Brotherhood no longer openly conducts terrorist operations; it is primarily a political organization that supports terrorism and terrorist causes. Many of its members, however, have engaged in terrorist activities and the group has spawned numerous terrorist groups, such as Hamas and Egyptian Islamic Jihad.
2002: Suspected in suicide bombing in Grozny.
1979:   Suspected in attacking Syrian military academy in Aleppo. 50 Syrian artillery cadets killed"

While the MB, does not still carry out terror attacks they are supporting terrorism both financially and through it membership. We should not allow financiers of terrorism still allow to operate and act freely while giving money and support to groups that kill Atlasians and innocent civilians across the Middle East. And the last actual terror attack was just 13 or 14 years ago.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2016, 04:05:01 pm »
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Even though it was on the ADL page the only reference I can find to the 2002 attack is the Russians claiming that there were Arab links to the Chechnya bombing

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/28/chechnya.toll/

If we're having to go back to terrorist attacks in 1979, then well we're going to be outlawing a lot of groups
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2016, 07:19:07 pm »
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the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2016, 04:40:22 am »
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the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.



because the reaganite/kissingerite tradition of deposing democracies we don't like has yielded absolutely terrible results in the past, maybe…?
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2016, 04:43:20 am »
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this bill would give us more irans, not fewer.
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