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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2016, 02:43:25 pm »
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As it appears that the 24-hour extension has now passed, Representatives have 72 hours to vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN on this bill.
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« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2016, 05:57:55 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2016, 05:59:26 pm »
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« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2016, 06:11:02 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2016, 10:17:42 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2016, 10:31:02 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2016, 10:00:01 am »
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After much contemplation, I believe that I cannot vote for this bill in its current form.

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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:29 am »
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the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.



because the reaganite/kissingerite tradition of deposing democracies we don't like has yielded absolutely terrible results in the past, maybe…?

Those are different situations. An election that elects a terrorist group is not a democracy.
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:56 am »
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« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2016, 10:11:26 am »
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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2016, 05:03:18 pm »
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the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.



because the reaganite/kissingerite tradition of deposing democracies we don't like has yielded absolutely terrible results in the past, maybe…?

Those are different situations. An election that elects a terrorist group is not a democracy.

that's a questionable assertion. and i'm sure the same argument was made about, e.g., chile – that an election that elects communists is not a democracy.
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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2016, 05:22:37 pm »
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the working people of egypt, mr. conservative, elected the muslim brotherhood to power in their most recent democratic elections, in case you haven't forgotten.


So? What does it matter whether or not the group was elected to office? I would hardly consider a functioning democracy one that elects groups committed to extreme fundamentalism to the point of wanting to blow countries off the map and exterminate groups of people. The fact that such groups win elections in some places, is not a mark of legitimacy on said groups, but in fact is an exemplary reason why democracy depends on strong education and a substantially more secular world view (at least to the point of not wanting to "Vote" a disliked group out of existence)".

Whether or not the Muslim Brotherhood wins an election is irrelevant. Hamas has won elections in the Palestinian terrorities and that doesn't make them any less of a terrorist group. The key here is the outlook of the Muslim Brotherhood and the tactices they are employing to bring it about.



because the reaganite/kissingerite tradition of deposing democracies we don't like has yielded absolutely terrible results in the past, maybe…?

Those are different situations. An election that elects a terrorist group is not a democracy.

that's a questionable assertion. and i'm sure the same argument was made about, e.g., chile – that an election that elects communists is not a democracy.

Just because someone makes the same arguement for the wrong reasons, doesn't make it it incorrect for me to make it for the right reasons.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2016, 09:49:43 pm »
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This bill has enough votes to pass. Representatives have 24 hours to change their votes, if they wish.
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« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2016, 11:03:33 pm »
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Alright, this bill has passed.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2016, 09:22:01 pm »
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Bump.

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iii. Every bill, order, or resolution which shall have passed the Senate and the House of Representatives shall, before it becomes law, be submitted to the judgment of the President. If he approve of it he should sign it; but if he disapproves he should return the bill to the house in which it originated with his objections. If, after considering the objections of the President, both houses should by a 2/3 vote agree to pass the same bill, it shall become law regardless of the President's objections.

I'm unsure if this is my responsibility (if not I apologize to the Speaker), but it's been a while since the President offered a redraft of this particular bill and it originated in the House. The President has offered the following presidential redraft:

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Muslim Brotherhood Investigation Act of 2016

1. Due to numerous concerns regarding the intentions and actions of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Republic of Atlasia will hold an investigation into whether or not the organization should be classified as a terrorist group.

2. The investigation will be administered by a committee consisting of Harry S. Truman, Classic Conservative, and Tmthforu94.

3. An official report on the investigation's findings will be due six weeks from the passage of this bill.
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« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2016, 08:49:22 am »
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Thank you, Mr. Vice President. We will have a period of debate lasting 72-hours barring any objections.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2016, 04:44:02 pm »
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Seeing as how there has been no debate and no objections, we will now move to a 72-hour final vote on the redraft.
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2016, 04:46:38 pm »
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2016, 02:25:49 pm »
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certainly better than the previous turd, although putting c.c. on the committee is lol

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« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2016, 02:56:55 pm »
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certainly better than the previous turd, although putting c.c. on the committee is lol

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Then putting Blair is lol, because he's partisan towards the other side.


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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2016, 09:26:40 pm »
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The redraft passes with, uh, two AYES and one abstention.
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« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2016, 03:52:05 pm »
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The Conference Committee has voted to pass the Senate version:
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Muslim Brotherhood Investigation Act of 2016

1. Due to numerous concerns regarding the intentions and actions of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Republic of Atlasia will hold an investigation into whether or not the organization should be classified as a terrorist group.

2. The investigation will be administered by a committee consisting of Harry S. Truman, Classic Conservative and Southern Gothic.

3. An official report on the investigation's findings will be due six weeks from the passage of this bill.

Representatives have 72 hours to vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.
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« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2016, 03:52:48 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2016, 05:09:05 pm »
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2016, 03:09:36 am »
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What happens at the end of the investigation?  Does it come back before the Congress for a vote?
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