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« on: June 22, 2016, 10:51:07 PM »

I doubt it will have a measurable impact on anything useful. Even if they got a vote on those bills, Republicans would just shoot them down anyway. Given the hell Republicans have been through so far this cycle, I seriously doubt they fear the attention that comes with a sit-in. Shoot, Republicans would have welcomed a sit-in when Trump was going on racist tirades about his Trump U. case judge.

In addition, if they are willing to completely obstruct a SCOTUS nomination for almost a whole year just because Obama/a Democrat made it, then gun control-related hijinks don't have a chance Tongue
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 12:47:08 PM »
« Edited: June 23, 2016, 12:54:22 PM by Virginia »

But all they want is a vote. This whole idea of the Speaker controlling what gets voted on is deeply undemocratic. The "Hastert rule" ensures that even proposals that a majority of house members support, won't even get a vote of the majority of the majority party doesn't support it.  

See, this is something I don't think is talked about enough. Speaker(s) of the House should not be running their chamber like this. Remember immigration reform? Boehner wouldn't even give it a vote. Why not? There was a pretty decent amount of support. Same with this - Congress is now being run as such where the majority party basically runs it as if they are the only people whose agenda matters and they only give in when absolutely forced to for PR reasons or even just to move on with business. Democrats and Republicans both need to acknowledge that they represent huge parts of America, of which both sides deserve to have their issues addressed, or at least given votes.

The Senate is a notorious example of this. 60 votes for cloture was never supposed to be used as a de-facto majority requirement to pass bills and now that is exactly what it has become, and it's crippling the ability of Congress to do anything. The filibuster needs to be changed so that bills can only be blocked for as long as people are actually willing to stand up talking, and bills in the House should be able to get a vote if a significant percentage of the House wants it - Maybe even 40% of the House.

Otherwise, Congress is never going to be able to do anything when govt is divided and one side can effectively nuke a proposal either by denial of cloture or by the Speaker refusing to let a bill get a vote. It's too much power for one side.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 08:44:39 AM »

Bad move. Young people are a lot less likely to support an assault weapons ban than older Americans. This could be the moment that the Democrats start losing the youth vote.

Partisan support tends to go deeper than an issue like an assault weapons ban, and the erosion of support is more likely to come from an actual ban and not just a proposed ban. Another factor is that young voters are far more diverse than other older generations, and racial / social issues tend to keep them anchored to the Democratic party despite disagreements on some other policy issues.

It's going to be difficult for Democrats to ever consistently lose the youth vote if Republicans can't begin to make inroads among non-white voters, though a sharp dip in support in specific elections, from time to time, isn't unlikely. For instance, the economy caused a reversal of Obama's support among 18-20 year olds in 2012. Unfortunately for the GOP, Trump will probably help reverse that and lock in minority young voters for a generation. Not sure about young white voters. Trump sure as hell won't help the GOP with them.
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