Brexit Supporters What comes closer to your motivation?

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Just genuinely curious.

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

Write-in: Regaining of national sovereignty, and law-making capabilities, in addition to more trade deal opportunities, and a stand against a European super-state.

Out of your poll options, my answer is closest to "Dang elites".

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Didn't know you were inclined to dislike the (((elites)))

[The Last Northerner]

If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

TLDR - the EU is a broken mess - I think DavidB gave a list of reasons elsewhere but my memory is: the eurozone was stupidly narrowminded, the Greek debt crisis revealed what the EU really stood for (Germany, bankers, political control), the ineptness of the refugee crisis despite my sympathies towards the refugees, the march towards a federal political union, the insane foreign policy and discriminatory political membership prioirities, the unbalanced CAP that hurts developing agricultural nations, the fishing policy, and so on. Some of these do not apply to the EU but are examples of the sinking ship the EU represents. There is also the argument that the UK has to be some sort of 'major power'. Frankly, it would better if the UK reoriented itself towards being a little England with a Japanese style foreign policy - one that engages in a peaceful and genteel foreign policy. I dislike things like the EU sanctions and being the political army of NATO.

Your 'ritual humiliation' is not leaving the EU. That already happened at Egypt and again at Iraq.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'd lie if I said option 6 didn't play a role. Rephrasing it a bit more pragmatically, I think the EU has potential to move in a better direction without corrosive British influence.

[Cassius]

Where's the 'pissing off whingeing limp wristed luvvies who think that because their Mummy and Daddy took them on holiday to the south of France that they're citizens of Europe' option?

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If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

TLDR - the EU is a broken mess - I think DavidB gave a list of reasons elsewhere but my memory is: the eurozone was stupidly narrowminded, the Greek debt crisis revealed what the EU really stood for (Germany, bankers, political control), the ineptness of the refugee crisis despite my sympathies towards the refugees, the march towards a federal political union, the insane foreign policy and discriminatory political membership prioirities, the unbalanced CAP that hurts developing agricultural nations, the fishing policy, and so on. Some of these do not apply to the EU but are examples of the sinking ship the EU represents. There is also the argument that the UK has to be some sort of 'major power'. Frankly, it would better if the UK reoriented itself towards being a little England with a Japanese style foreign policy - one that engages in a peaceful and genteel foreign policy. I dislike things like the EU sanctions and being the political army of NATO.

Your 'ritual humiliation' is not leaving the EU. That already happened at Egypt and again at Iraq.

So essentially peripheral issues. If you seriously git that from the remain campaign you must be delusional.

And I would argue that losing in war is less humiliating than this. This is the equivalent of a dignified elderly person losing control of their bowels as they age. We have lost face permanently in front of the world community. And for what?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I'd lie if I said option 6 didn't play a role. Rephrasing it a bit more pragmatically, I think the EU has potential to move in a better direction without corrosive British influence.

I'm rather surprised you're pro-Brexit, Antonio.

[RINO Tom]

Just genuinely curious.

Surely.

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I've always been a non-interventionist. Not sure what category that would fall into.

[Goldwater]

I've always been a non-interventionist. Not sure what category that would fall into.

Doesn't that term usually refer to a lack of military involvement around the world? What does that have to do with leaving the EU?

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Write-in: They have to go back.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Nationalism is not automatically a bad thing and supranational government unions are not automatically a good thing. The E.U. is a socialist swindle. I don't accept the Marxist view that "progress" automatically means consolidating more and more resources and powers from smaller countries into increasingly bigger internationalist governments until we're all part of the same government. Other than the inevitable short-term freak out by the bankers who are still hitting the monetary policy driven heroin, I think bailing out of the E.U. before it implodes is good for the U.K.

[dax00]

If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

^This.

And I cannot comprehend why you think self-prioritization makes Britain lose face.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I'd lie if I said option 6 didn't play a role. Rephrasing it a bit more pragmatically, I think the EU has potential to move in a better direction without corrosive British influence.

I'm rather surprised you're pro-Brexit, Antonio.

     As am I. Still, I also have heard others saying the same thing, albeit with less of a positive spin on the EU's future. While Britain lost a lot of control over its own affairs being in the European Union, it has had a lot of power over other countries.

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The irony is, of course, is that the edgy anti-Semites who hate "globalists" are actually useful idiots for the true megarich elite. Because they prefer the murky world of quasi Nationalism, where they can hide behind shadows and squirrel their fortunes away from the public eye. The EU, for all its flaws, is an attempt to control the forces of globalisation and put it in control of the people and avoid the rush to the bottom. It didn't always work out the way (because - you guessed it "anti-globalists" eroded the ability of its democratic structures to regulate the nationalistic attributes of the Commission) but it is an effort. But no, even that is too much for the economically illiterate protectionists of this world who prefer to hide away in their safe space nation state pretending that they somehow have axhieved a victory over anybody. Sad!

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If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

^This.

And I cannot comprehend why you think self-prioritization makes Britain lose face.

Because now we are forever branded as the nation that risked everything for nothing at all. How are we supposed to broker deals if we have that hanging over our image? This is an international humiliation for Perfidious Albion.

[All Along The Watchtower]

The irony is, of course, is that the edgy anti-Semites who hate "globalists" are actually useful idiots for the true megarich elite. Because they prefer the murky world of quasi Nationalism, where they can hide behind shadows and squirrel their fortunes away from the public eye. The EU, for all its flaws, is an attempt to control the forces of globalisation and put it in control of the people and avoid the rush to the bottom. It didn't always work out the way (because - you guessed it "anti-globalists" eroded the ability of its democratic structures to regulate the nationalistic attributes of the Commission) but it is an effort. But no, even that is too much for the economically illiterate protectionists of this world who prefer to hide away in their safe space nation state pretending that they somehow have axhieved a victory over anybody. Sad!

It's telling that the Nazis, while rhetorically attacking capitalism and Communism as two sides of the same (Joo-Wish) coin, embraced the former (and were likewise, embraced or at the very least tolerated by most of the German bourgeoisie) once they gained power. The Nazis were fine with capitalism so long as the Master Race was the ruling class in the German system.

And for the Libertards here, capitalism isn't defined by "lack of government intervention in the economy"; if anything, fascism was in many ways an attempt to create an ultra-nationalistic and violently exclusionary form of capitalism.

[dax00]

If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

^This.

And I cannot comprehend why you think self-prioritization makes Britain lose face.

Because now we are forever branded as the nation that risked everything for nothing at all. How are we supposed to broker deals if we have that hanging over our image? This is an international humiliation for Perfidious Albion.

There is surely no long-term risk. It'd be outrageously spiteful and not efficacious for the EU to try to send a message to Britain. There was only immediate economic vulnerability because the pro-Remain side hyped up a perceived risk.

For nothing? Greater control over oneself surely doesn't mean nothing to you?

[Mr. Reactionary]

For nothing? Greater control over oneself surely doesn't mean nothing to you?

Something something we're all children on mother earth something something lines on a map something something how can a person be illegal.

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If you are 'genuinely curious', than make a poll with non-troll options instead of stewing like a sore loser.

^This.

And I cannot comprehend why you think self-prioritization makes Britain lose face.

Because now we are forever branded as the nation that risked everything for nothing at all. How are we supposed to broker deals if we have that hanging over our image? This is an international humiliation for Perfidious Albion.

There is surely no long-term risk. It'd be outrageously spiteful and not efficacious for the EU to try to send a message to Britain. There was only immediate economic vulnerability because the pro-Remain side hyped up a perceived risk.

For nothing? Greater control over oneself surely doesn't mean nothing to you?

We will have lower growth in the long term. We will be seen as a more untrustworthy partner in the long term. And even if it sort of gets better, we're going to have to live through some terrible bullsh**te and austerity.

We won't even have 'vontrol of our selves' because any effective deal ensuring growth would surrender more control than we had before we left.

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For nothing? Greater control over oneself surely doesn't mean nothing to you?

Something something we're all children on mother earth something something lines on a map something something how can a person be illegal.

Glad you're starting to understand basic economics and morality.

[windjammer]

Seriously Crabcake,
fuc* off

Write in: I'm pro european, I'm tired of having to deal with the UK's bullsh**t: constantly whining and slowling european integration.

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Seriously Crabcake,
fuc* off

Write in: I'm pro european, I'm tired of having to deal with the UK's bullsh**t: constantly whining and slowling european integration.

This argument doesn't make sense jammy. Now every reprobate politician in the continent is going to"do a Boris Johnson" -  support one of these stupid referendums to feather their own career. The European Union could be at more risk than it ever has been - the strongest pro European figures left standing are Renzi and Merkel and even they are weaker than they've ever been. In that sort od environment, a lot of populists will muse about doing their own Brexit.  I wouldn't be surprised if Sarkozy decides to have a referendum of his own...

[Cassius]

I think Crabcake needs to spend some time in a padded cell before he hurts himself in despair at this brutish world we live in.