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« on: June 24, 2016, 08:21:13 PM »

Let's just say that Donald J. Trump ran a campaign that was significantly more sexist than the one he is currently running, would his percentage of male voters increase or decrease?
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2016, 08:22:25 PM »

This one is a lot less ambiguous than the other one...

Definitely increase.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 08:45:36 PM »

Easily increase. Though it would probably would end up being via reverse Bradley Effect. Men wouldn't want to admit they're voting for Trump in front of their wives.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 08:46:52 PM »

About the same. It would definitely turn off some men.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 08:52:16 PM »

What exactly is sexist about Trump's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Trump is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2016, 08:54:09 PM »

What exactly is sexist about Drumpf's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Drumpf is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.

He didn't make fun of any of those men's appearances like he did Carly Fiorina, Rosie O'Donnell, Angelina Jolie, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2016, 08:55:03 PM »

depends entirely on how Clinton responds.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 09:07:07 PM »

What exactly is sexist about Drumpf's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Drumpf is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.

He didn't make fun of any of those men's appearances like he did Carly Fiorina, Rosie O'Donnell, Angelina Jolie, etc.
https://youtu.be/0V1LcpsNDfg?t=1m49s

He doesn't attack men on their appearance because he thinks that most men are not vulnerable to those types of attacks. He knows where it hurts and he hits them hard.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 09:11:21 PM »

What exactly is sexist about Drumpf's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Drumpf is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.

He didn't make fun of any of those men's appearances like he did Carly Fiorina, Rosie O'Donnell, Angelina Jolie, etc.

Rand Paul?
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 09:17:56 PM »

It would be funny, and cool women like Ann Coulter would vote for him as would women who do not hate men and enjoy being women.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 09:39:05 PM »

This one is a lot less ambiguous than the other one...

Definitely increase.

Actually this is more ambiguous, angry white men hate Hispanics and Muslims more than they women because at least they have mothers, sisters, daughters, etc. to keep them in check. Plus women are not a minority in this country, they're a majority.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 10:31:52 PM »

Not much change. Most of the open misogynists and the 'totally not sexist' redpillers are already on the Trump Train.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 11:09:24 PM »

He literally already is running an openly sexist campaign lol.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 11:11:34 PM »

What exactly is sexist about Drumpf's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Drumpf is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.

He didn't make fun of any of those men's appearances like he did Carly Fiorina, Rosie O'Donnell, Angelina Jolie, etc.

Rand Paul?

Don't forget DISGUSTING John Kasich! What a slob!
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 11:17:18 PM »

Let's just say that Donald J. Trump ran a campaign that was significantly more sexist than the one he is currently running, would his percentage of male voters increase or decrease?

I think ritually murdering women on stage at his every appearance would get him fewer votes from men.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2016, 12:56:47 AM »
« Edited: June 25, 2016, 01:03:03 AM by Ogre Mage »

What exactly is sexist about Trump's campaign?

Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.

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Never mind that Hillary Clinton is a former two-term senator from a major state and a former Secretary of State, that she has negotiated treaties and had tough encounters with Putin over matters of statecraft.  Trump reduces her to just her gender.  And the situation is made even more ridiculous given that Trump is completely lacking in comparable experience.

There is a reason why Trump has disapproval ratings among women of 70% or more.  Perhaps you can provide an alternative explanation other than the fact your candidate is a sexist $hi*heel.



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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2016, 01:01:21 AM »

It would be funny, and cool women like Ann Coulter would vote for him as would women who do not hate men and enjoy being women.

LMAO.

What the hell does this even mean?
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2016, 03:00:44 AM »

Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.
First of all, he didn't say there should be criminal punishment, just some form of punishment. But second, how exactly are are men responsible unless it was a pregnancy caused by rape (which is a crime, and for which most pro-life people exempt from abortion laws) or if they pressured the woman into having an abortion? If you argue that it is solely a woman's right to choose, how can men be even partly responsible for something for a matter they have no say on?

As far as the woman card goes, Clinton plays it daily.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2016, 03:17:25 AM »

Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.
First of all, he didn't say there should be criminal punishment, just some form of punishment. But second, how exactly are are men responsible unless it was a pregnancy caused by rape (which is a crime, and for which most pro-life people exempt from abortion laws) or if they pressured the woman into having an abortion? If you argue that it is solely a woman's right to choose, how can men be even partly responsible for something for a matter they have no say on?

As far as the woman card goes, Clinton plays it daily.

We are taking as abortion as an illegal offense.  LOL, what kind of punishment do you think Trump was taking about?  Put women in the stocks?  Do you agree with Trump that women should face punishment?  What would that be exactly? 

I also see you made no attempt to explain why Trump has 70%+ disapprovals with women -- because you cannot offer one other than the explanation I gave.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2016, 04:02:31 AM »

We are taking as abortion as an illegal offense.  LOL, what kind of punishment do you think Trump was taking about?  Put women in the stocks?  Do you agree with Trump that women should face punishment?  What would that be exactly? 
Illegal is not the same thing as criminal. Illegal immigration can be a rather serious offense, depending on the circumstances, but illegal immigration itself is not a crime. Additionally, pre-Roe v. Wade, state abortion laws held abortionists responsible, not the women. The main purpose of abortion laws is to reduce the number of abortions, and punishments are a means to an end. Should we punish women, who will have no more than one or two abortions in their lives, or abortionists, who make it their living to perform abortions? Punishing women serves only to publicly condemn them, and I think that condemnation and forgiveness are a matter solely between the woman and her creator, not government.

As for Trump's disapproval ratings with women, there are many reasons for that. A major part of it is Trump's rhetoric, but I wouldn't say he is running a sexist campaign. I admit he's running a white male identity politics campaign, which I'm not entirely comfortable with, but Democrats run identity politics campaigns all the time, and nobody says that they run racist campaigns. Single women are not a GOP constituency anyway, so there is a low ceiling for GOP candidates for women. Also, women just think and make decisions differently than men, and Trump's messaging towards women has been deficient so far.
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2016, 06:15:02 AM »

We are taking as abortion as an illegal offense.  LOL, what kind of punishment do you think Trump was taking about?  Put women in the stocks?  Do you agree with Trump that women should face punishment?  What would that be exactly?
Illegal is not the same thing as criminal. Illegal immigration can be a rather serious offense, depending on the circumstances, but illegal immigration itself is not a crime. Additionally, pre-Roe v. Wade, state abortion laws held abortionists responsible, not the women. The main purpose of abortion laws is to reduce the number of abortions, and punishments are a means to an end. Should we punish women, who will have no more than one or two abortions in their lives, or abortionists, who make it their living to perform abortions? Punishing women serves only to publicly condemn them, and I think that condemnation and forgiveness are a matter solely between the woman and her creator, not government.

As for Trump's disapproval ratings with women, there are many reasons for that. A major part of it is Trump's rhetoric, but I wouldn't say he is running a sexist campaign. I admit he's running a white male identity politics campaign, which I'm not entirely comfortable with, but Democrats run identity politics campaigns all the time, and nobody says that they run racist campaigns. Single women are not a GOP constituency anyway, so there is a low ceiling for GOP candidates for women. Also, women just think and make decisions differently than men, and Trump's messaging towards women has been deficient so far.

Well, Trump was talking about punishment and given the stream of misogynistic comments he has made about women both during this campaign and in his past, I wouldn't like to see what punishment he would dream up.  

I have known multiple women who dealt with unwanted pregnancies.  Some had abortions, others didn't.  In some cases, the male partner was involved in the decision, discussed it with her, provided financial help and drove her to the clinic.  I think it is positive he was there for her, but if abortion was illegal, how could one say he was not culpable?

Then there was the case where the man just took off after he discovered she was pregnant.  She was left to shoulder the burden alone.  This is an all too common story.  She decided to keep the child but what if she had made another choice?  Per Trump only she would be "punished."

I wholeheartedly disagree that Trump is not running a sexist campaign.  It is the most blatantly sexist campaign I have seen by a major party nominee.  

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2016, 08:00:13 AM »

As for Trump's disapproval ratings with women, there are many reasons for that. A major part of it is Trump's rhetoric, but I wouldn't say he is running a sexist campaign.

Would him just being sexist in general be a sexist campaign? Because it's not like his campaign's goal/focus is built around anti-women issues. Trump himself is just a casual sexist. Though, I guess it is fair to say I am still divided on whether he is a true sexist or he just generally thinks he is better than everyone else (and treats them accordingly, as the Trump way of life demands)
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2016, 09:50:34 AM »

What exactly is sexist about Drumpf's campaign? Yes, he insults women, but look at how he treated Low Energy Jeb, Lyin' Ted, Little Marco, John "1 for 42" Kasich, Lindsey Graham and John McCain, all white men. Drumpf is a lot of things, but he treats women equally - both in good ways and bad.

He didn't make fun of any of those men's appearances like he did Carly Fiorina, Rosie O'Donnell, Angelina Jolie, etc.

Didn't he call Kasich a disgusting human being?
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2016, 10:15:14 AM »

Trump said that women should face criminal punishment for having abortions (but of course the men who got them pregnant should not). Then he had to walk it back after a firestorm of controversy.
First of all, he didn't say there should be criminal punishment, just some form of punishment. But second, how exactly are are men responsible unless it was a pregnancy caused by rape (which is a crime, and for which most pro-life people exempt from abortion laws) or if they pressured the woman into having an abortion? If you argue that it is solely a woman's right to choose, how can men be even partly responsible for something for a matter they have no say on?

Obviously, you skipped sex ed (and Greek history).
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