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« on: June 26, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »

This morning Trump began the day unskewing the ABC poll.
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But asserted he is doing well in the other (unnamed) polls...
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Then again went after ABC poll...
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He followed up that tweet with this retweet attacking the 'pole'

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He has also recently explained his trailing poll numbers saying he "hasn't started yet" and also claimed he is the victim of a reverse Bradley effect

Trump of course spent the primary season touting polls, but for the brief period in October when Carson was surging he had turned to poll truthing.  So is he now pivoting back to poll truthing?
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 10:00:00 PM »

Typical response from someone who is mentally sick with a severe case of narcissism ...
"Those polls don't portray me as the greatest, so don't believe them."
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 10:19:10 PM »

Reality doesn't matter to Trump, only the narrative. His inconsistency is one of his most consistent attributes.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 11:07:18 PM »

This morning Trump began the day unskewing the ABC poll.
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But asserted he is doing well in the other (unnamed) polls...
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Then again went after ABC poll...
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He followed up that tweet with this retweet attacking the 'pole'

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He has also recently explained his trailing poll numbers saying he "hasn't started yet" and also claimed he is the victim of a reverse Bradley effect

Trump of course spent the primary season touting polls, but for the brief period in October when Carson was surging he had turned to poll truthing.  So is he now pivoting back to poll truthing?

LOL. He had to have known it was spelled wrong and retweeted it to try to get a reaction.

Someone also noticed that Trump's tweets from Android and iPhone are quite different. I suspect Ivanka confiscated his iPhone and has the campaign manage it, while Trump secretly has an Android so he can tweet his normal craziness.
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 11:28:25 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 11:37:35 PM »

Not sure why he keeps veering violently back and forth on his poll situation. He's been doing absolutely terrible the entire time.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 12:28:14 AM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 07:21:13 AM »


That's what losers say
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2016, 08:00:07 AM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

The most important poll is the one on Election Day, but never forget that #AllPollsMatter.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2016, 09:07:21 AM »

His tweets in short:

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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2016, 06:12:14 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

Find me a campaign that said that and won.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 11:59:06 AM »
« Edited: June 28, 2016, 12:01:33 PM by Likely Voter »

According to Newt, Trump's math checks out.  He even has more math

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/newt-gingrich-trump-poll-224882

I wonder if this "just add 5  points" Trump poll math thing will catch on. Will conservative media literally fall into the same unskewing trap from 2012?
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2016, 12:06:24 PM »

I wonder if this "just add 5  points" Trump poll math thing will catch on. Will conservative media literally fall into the same unskewing trap from 2012?

I actually burst out laughing when I saw this. So if Trump being down by 5 points means he wins, does that mean Clinton has to be up by 10 points to cleave out a bare win?

What about the configuration of the EC or the nature of 2016's presidential polling gives such a structural advantage to Trump that he can be down by 5 and still win? It's complete bs. Republicans are not the ones with an electoral college advantage, and as I understand it, many pollsters are still having issues accurately polling minorities, a constituency that Trump has almost universally alienated and energized like never before.

This deserves the hashtag #RepublicanMath for sure.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2016, 12:14:48 PM »

I wonder if this "just add 5  points" Trump poll math thing will catch on. Will conservative media literally fall into the same unskewing trap from 2012?

I actually burst out laughing when I saw this. So if Trump being down by 5 points means he wins, does that mean Clinton has to be up by 10 points to cleave out a bare win?

What about the configuration of the EC or the nature of 2016's presidential polling gives such a structural advantage to Trump that he can be down by 5 and still win? It's complete bs. Republicans are not the ones with an electoral college advantage, and as I understand it, many pollsters are still having issues accurately polling minorities, a constituency that Trump has almost universally alienated and energized like never before.

This deserves the hashtag #RepublicanMath for sure.

Well the logic isn't about the EC. They are saying the liberal media are skewing the polls through their own bias by polling too many Dems and not getting to the real silent majority.  Trump also said polls underestimate him because people don't want to admit (again to the liberal elite pollsters) that they like Trump, because of reverse racism. 

It may all be ludicrous to anyone who believes in polling, but if Trump is consistently behind, the conservative media may feel the need to create a counter narrative. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 12:20:13 PM »

Well the logic isn't about the EC. They are saying the liberal media are skewing the polls through their own bias by polling too many Dems and not getting to the real silent majority.  Trump also said polls underestimate him because people don't want to admit (again to the liberal elite pollsters) that they like Trump, because of reverse racism.  

It may all be ludicrous to anyone who believes in polling, but if Trump is consistently behind, the conservative media may feel the need to create a counter narrative.  

Right, I did mention the polling challenges after the EC comment.

I'm not entirely surprised that they are challenging the polls, seeing as they are losing so badly, and consistently at that, so it should be expected. It's just this baseless idea that somehow Trump is actually always ahead if he's losing by non-landslide numbers that is so amusing. Trump was always boasting about any polls that showed him ahead, which only makes this even more funny.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2016, 12:38:51 PM »

The GOP did the same thing in 2012. Despite most of the swing state polls showing Obama ahead, they kept saying they were skewed and the real electorate would be much more white and GOP.

How'd that work out?
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 03:14:13 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

Find me a campaign that said that and won.

Give 'em hell Harry?
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2016, 08:10:55 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

Haven't you heard of J.J.'s Rules of Elections?
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 08:12:40 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

Haven't you heard of J.J.'s Rules of Elections?

The one where is a 94-6 lead with a sample of 1000 is not statistically significant? Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 11:44:06 PM »

The only poll that matters is the one on election day.

Haven't you heard of J.J.'s Rules of Elections?

Gawd I miss J.J.
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2016, 12:04:03 AM »

Anyone with any modicum of common sense can see that the ABC/Washington Post poll didn't look like the others and is either an early predictor (unlikely) or an outlier. The sample sizes were out of whack compared to how the rest of the polls in the 5-7 point band measured the electorate.

It happens and will likely self-correct the next time they run the poll.
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