Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Abortion Restrictions

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Worst day in America in years!

Disgusting, but yet another reason why Republicans need to unite behind Trump.

Why?  Even if you don't like a particular Supreme Court decision don't you at least want the court to be consistent and NOT full of sh-t?

Guns kill way more mothers than abortion.  Why would we have onerous regulations on abortion clinics and zero gun regulations?

If Roe vs Wade is the law of the land then the surgical clinic regulation is obviously unconstitutional.  I have no problem with people coming out and saying they wish to overturn Roe vs Wade.  That is their opinion.  But to lie and say we need these regulations to make women safer while they keep multiple loaded unlocked guns lying around their house is just juvenile and silly.  I for one am glad our Supreme Court are the adults in the room.

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Great news!

And once Clinton helps finish filling the federal judiciary with liberal judges, pro-lifers can finally take a break, because Jim Crow-like attempts to regulate abortion out of existence will be shut down for over a generation

Jim Crow-like?  Jesus Christ, Virginia.  I'm pro-choice, but how can you conflate people trying to curtail what they see as an innocent life - even if they're wrong - with people trying to sidestep federal laws to prevent Blacks from being able to vote or go to public school?

They are writing laws with numerous onerous regulations that don't outright ban the target activity, they just make it so difficult that it can't be done for most women. For JC - Sure, blacks can vote, but only after paying a fee, taking a test and reciting parts of the Constitution. There are parallels here - Sure, you can get an abortion, but first you have to wait, then you have to watch an ultrasound while a doctor says stuff. Oh, and if you're a provider, sure, you can provide abortions since they are constitutional, but your facility has to have admitting privileges, and hallways a certain width, and has to be an ambulatory surgery center, and <insert numerous other regulations only implemented for the sole purpose of shutting down clinics>...

I said Jim Crow-like because it's not the same in every respect. The similarity I was alluding to was the method by which they prevented their targets (blacks) from doing something that was constitutional but also something they didn't want them doing. The parallels are very clear, imo. There is nothing wrong with this comparison. You can call it distasteful, sure, but it doesn't make it any less relevant. They are trying to deny women like me something that was ruled unconstitutional to ban using tactics of a similar nature.

I'm sure lots of Southerners also really believed blacks should not be voting, just like pro-life people really think folks shouldn't be able to get abortions. Both are doing the same types of things to achieve their vision. So what is the problem here?

The problem here is that a pro-life person who genuinely believes in his or her cause thinks that these children are being murdered, not that some inferior race shouldn't get to do the things they can do like Whites in the mid-Twentieth Century South ... if your only real comparison is a recurrence of finding ways to side-step a Constitutionally guaranteed right with restrictions that you believe manage to limit the activity you don't like (which is, again, Constitutionally protected, as you pointed out) in a still barely Constitutional way (in your eyes), then wouldn't another valid comparison being liberal cities instituting total gun bans and Democratic states trying to restrict various types of gun rights?  Is that Jim Crow-like?

No.  The problem with Jim Crow, the antiabortion crowd, and the progun nuts is their arguments all ignore science.  I can understand people being for or against something but begging the supreme court to ignore science is just ridiculous and I'm glad they ignored that plea.

Looking more into it, this is arguably the best decision on abortion to come from the Supreme Court since Roe itself.

even more than legalizing SSM everywhere United States?

What does SSM have to do with abortion?  Psst!  Not everything is about homosexuals.  Heterosexuals are the majority of the country and they have one or two life and death issues that need to be addressed from time to time.

By the way 50% of marriages end in divorce... and plenty that don't end are miserable.  So many people nowadays throw their marriage away or decide not to get married at all.  I would not conflate marriage of any type with a teenage rape victim dying in squalor after a botched back alley abortion.

We all have our hot button issues that are near and dear to our hearts but let's not lose perspective.  Women's reproductive health and a woman's right to choose are fundamental to the overall structure of society.  Numerous studies have shown the more control a woman has over her reproductive health the better she does and the better society as a whole does.

Sorry to get on my soapbox but Republican politicians monkeying around with science and healthcare is unprecedented and very dangerous.  The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) and the American Medical Association (AMA) both came out against the law and Republican politicians ignored the scientists.  Marriage is an artificial civil construct.  Basic healthcare is not.  Republicans overriding doctors and dictating healthcare to people is way more scary than arguing about marriage.  If that law was left to stand what would be next?  Which medical procedure is a Republican going to wake up and decide they want to outlaw for political gain?  Or what happens when they take payoffs from big tobacco and roll back cigarette marketing and sales restrictions?

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Worst day in America in years!

I mean, I know Republicans have not exactly been known to care about gay people, but wouldn't you say that Orlando, at the very least, is worse than this, if not other days?

No, Orlando killed 49 innocent people.  Abortion kills 3000 innocent people each day (and more than 49 of them would have likely been saved in one day alone by upholding the Texas laws).  January 22, 1973 is the darkest day in the history of this country, hands down.

Foetuses are not persons.

Uh, they each have the potential to become one?

So does sperm. I guess that means we must criminalize masturbation.

Actually no, only masturbation of people with testicles should be criminalized. No nuts, no sperm, no murder.

What if they don't go to completion?  Is that kosher?

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Laws are created for humans by humans. They don't have to be rational and in fact, sometimes they should not be rational. If laws have to be rational, we should abolish federal holidays because they reduce our productivity.

That's like saying we aren't productive during sleep so abolish sleep.  Being chained to a desk at work 24-7 has never scientifically been shown to be optimal.  Having a protected holiday for people to travel, relax, spend time with their family, etc is absolutely a rational thing.

Most developed countries have tougher voter ID laws than most US states, and you don't see widespread moaning in those countries.

Just like the arguments about the Swiss and gun laws if this is even true I'm sure the devil is in the details.  Other countries have very, very different electoral systems.  Are you suggesting we ban these 2 year+ election seasons filled with corporations that are "people" and superpacs?

I agree that most of these restrictions are intended to reduce the number of abortions and are not designed to improve health outcomes. However, abortion laws in the US remain more permissive in general than Europe, so you cannot really argue that Republicans are taking away abortion rights.

I don't believe this for a minute.  Europe is a collection of countries.  Abortion laws vary across the continent.  Regardless of what side of the issue you are on it is painfully obvious you are dead wrong if you talk about abortion laws in Europe as some kind of monolithic entity.

When it comes to the defense of life, the end always justifies the means.

That's all you have to say.  And the Supreme Court, thankfully, must follow the law and tell you you are wrong.

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I agree that most of these restrictions are intended to reduce the number of abortions and are not designed to improve health outcomes. However, abortion laws in the US remain more permissive in general than Europe, so you cannot really argue that Republicans are taking away abortion rights.

I don't believe this for a minute.  Europe is a collection of countries.  Abortion laws vary across the continent.  Regardless of what side of the issue you are on it is painfully obvious you are dead wrong if you talk about abortion laws in Europe as some kind of monolithic entity.

Look it up. Of Western countries, only Canada is more permissive. (no legal restrictions on abortion at all)

Nothing to look up.  Europe is a continent.  It is not homogeneous.  You can't discuss it as a whole in generalities.  There are so many regulations here and in Europe how you come up with this vague statement is beyond me.  Like I said it is like the Swiss gun thing.  One nebulous statement is posted on the internet as "proof" and when the details come out you realize it is nothing like what was described.

I am not aware of any law in Europe dictating the width of the halls specifically only for abortion clinics.  I am not aware of any law in Europe dictating a specific word for word script a doctor must read to a patient.  You are the one that made the nebulous unproven claim.  If you have some facts post them.  It is not up to us to prove your case for you.