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« on: June 28, 2016, 12:07:14 PM »
« edited: June 28, 2016, 12:09:57 PM by Phony Moderate »

Very likely to take place following a VONC in Corbyn. Rumour is that either Watson or (Angela) Eagle will challenge Corbyn.

This is the first formal challenge to an incumbent Labour leader since Kinnock vs. Benn in 1988.

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 12:20:52 PM »

Cooper and Jarvis are rumoured to be showing interest also.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2016, 12:22:11 PM »

So 40 MPs voted against. Does this mean that 40 MPs are open to renominating Corbyn?
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2016, 12:24:23 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2016, 12:27:41 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2016, 12:29:23 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2016, 12:33:57 PM »
« Edited: June 28, 2016, 12:37:15 PM by Phony Moderate »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?

The party's Constitution, but it's rather ambiguous about what happens in this event apparently. The Corbynites are citing a barrister who is advising that Corbyn can be on automatically.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2016, 12:55:16 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?

The party's Constitution, but it's rather ambiguous about what happens in this event apparently. The Corbynites are citing a barrister who is advising that Corbyn can be on automatically.

So who get's to make the decision in cases of constitutional ambiguity?
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 12:55:19 PM »

Being reported that Angela Eagle will announce tomorrow that she's challenging (that's if Corbyn does not resign in the coming hours).
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2016, 12:55:51 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?

The party's Constitution, but it's rather ambiguous about what happens in this event apparently. The Corbynites are citing a barrister who is advising that Corbyn can be on automatically.

So who get's to make the decision in cases of constitutional ambiguity?

Not sure tbh.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2016, 12:57:58 PM »

An awful lot of things are not yet clear. Other than that the situation is a complete and utter mess.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2016, 12:58:29 PM »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?

The party's Constitution, but it's rather ambiguous about what happens in this event apparently. The Corbynites are citing a barrister who is advising that Corbyn can be on automatically.

So who get's to make the decision in cases of constitutional ambiguity?

Not sure tbh.

Yikes, I imagine there will be some edits made to the party's constitution after this mess is over
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2016, 01:23:40 PM »
« Edited: June 28, 2016, 01:27:10 PM by Hnv1 »

Does Corbyn require 30 signatures from MPs to get his name back on the ballot?

There's a row going on about whether or not the incumbent is automatically on the ballot or not. If not, then he would need 50 MPs/MEPs according to a rule change put in place last year.

Who gets to make that decision?

The party's Constitution, but it's rather ambiguous about what happens in this event apparently. The Corbynites are citing a barrister who is advising that Corbyn can be on automatically.

So who get's to make the decision in cases of constitutional ambiguity?
First the party legal adviser who will probably demand 50 signatures (that's what happened in 88 and custom is strong in ambiguity) . Corbyn could challenge that decision in the NEC. As parties are corporation and considering the UK stricter law in meddling with corporations internal affairs I doubt one could appeal to a court here, unless courts in the UK will decide this is the case they want to implement the notion that parties are quasi-administrative bodies...
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2016, 02:20:08 PM »

I assume the consensus is that if Corby makes it on the ballot he will win.  Especially when post-Brexit polling for LAB is not that bad.
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2016, 06:05:50 PM »

I assume the consensus is that if Corby makes it on the ballot he will win.

There's actually real uncertainty as to what might happen. Particularly as there's an ongoing influx of new members, most of which are unlikely to be pro him.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2016, 08:37:39 PM »

If Corbyn survives, what do we think happens, especially at the top? Do the shadow ministers who resigned come crawling back or does he keep the latter-day 'Who? Who?' ministry?
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2016, 08:46:05 PM »

I assume the consensus is that if Corby makes it on the ballot he will win.

There's actually real uncertainty as to what might happen. Particularly as there's an ongoing influx of new members, most of which are unlikely to be pro him.

Why would there be an influx of new members and why on Earth would they be expected to be anti-Corbyn?
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2016, 08:53:54 PM »

If Corbyn survives, what do we think happens, especially at the top? Do the shadow ministers who resigned come crawling back or does he keep the latter-day 'Who? Who?' ministry?

I would think that if Corbyn survives, a big chunk of the PLP would have to to seriously reconsider their political future inside the party. With these levels of leader unpopularity within PLP it is very hard to see how the party could stay whole.
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2016, 09:06:05 PM »

If Corbyn survives, what do we think happens, especially at the top? Do the shadow ministers who resigned come crawling back or does he keep the latter-day 'Who? Who?' ministry?

I would think that if Corbyn survives, a big chunk of the PLP would have to to seriously reconsider their political future inside the party. With these levels of leader unpopularity within PLP it is very hard to see how the party could stay whole.

Oh great.
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2016, 09:14:16 PM »

Presumably Corbyn and his 40 loyal MPs would get to keep the official Labour name. It would be the majority who would have to break away. Don't know what would they do. All run as Independent Labour? Try to form a party? Re-form the SDP? Team up with the Lib Dems and reform the goddamn Alliance? Anyway, I definitely think the splitters would win more seats, if only because they would have most incumbents. Also, obviously, they would be better positioned ideologically to win swing seats.
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2016, 09:14:34 PM »

If Corbyn survives, what do we think happens, especially at the top? Do the shadow ministers who resigned come crawling back or does he keep the latter-day 'Who? Who?' ministry?

I would think that if Corbyn survives, a big chunk of the PLP would have to to seriously reconsider their political future inside the party. With these levels of leader unpopularity within PLP it is very hard to see how the party could stay whole.
Well, they'd be free to create an out of touch elite establishment party instead. The world certainly needs another one of those.
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2016, 09:18:19 PM »

I think the best thing that could happen would be for Corbyn to step down and enthusiastically back John McDonnell. McDonnell is basically the same as Corbyn on economics with the added benefit of having never been caught on tape praising Hamas. He could keep all of Corbyn's parliamentary support, probably hold on to a large chunk of his popular support, and hopefully win over some of the soft left and Old Labour MPs who only recently abandoned Corbyn.

Unfortunately it appears Corbyn would rather take the party down with him.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2016, 09:23:32 PM »

I think the best thing that could happen would be for Corbyn to step down and enthusiastically back John McDonnell. McDonnell is basically the same as Corbyn on economics with the added benefit of having never been caught on tape praising Hamas. He could keep all of Corbyn's parliamentary support, probably hold on to a large chunk of his popular support, and hopefully win over some of the soft left and Old Labour MPs who only recently abandoned Corbyn.

For once I agree with you--that'd be an elegant and relatively painless solution to this mess, at least in the immediate term.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2016, 09:26:04 PM »

I think the best thing that could happen would be for Corbyn to step down and enthusiastically back John McDonnell. McDonnell is basically the same as Corbyn on economics with the added benefit of having never been caught on tape praising Hamas. He could keep all of Corbyn's parliamentary support, probably hold on to a large chunk of his popular support, and hopefully win over some of the soft left and Old Labour MPs who only recently abandoned Corbyn.

For once I agree with you--that'd be an elegant and relatively painless solution to this mess, at least in the immediate term.

Instead, someone caught on tape praising IRA. That's much worse.
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2016, 09:36:26 PM »
« Edited: June 28, 2016, 09:44:01 PM by Poo-tee-weet? »

I think the best thing that could happen would be for Corbyn to step down and enthusiastically back John McDonnell. McDonnell is basically the same as Corbyn on economics with the added benefit of having never been caught on tape praising Hamas. He could keep all of Corbyn's parliamentary support, probably hold on to a large chunk of his popular support, and hopefully win over some of the soft left and Old Labour MPs who only recently abandoned Corbyn.

For once I agree with you--that'd be an elegant and relatively painless solution to this mess, at least in the immediate term.

Instead, someone caught on tape praising IRA. That's much worse.

Oh. I wasn't aware of that.

sh**t.

#ReadyForAngela, then.
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