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« Reply #325 on: July 20, 2016, 04:35:10 PM »

According to twitter there are 183,541 registered supporters who signed up. That's a solid £4.6 million for the party.

I assume signed up means paying the one time £25 fee to become a “registered supporter”? Are all of them people who joined before Jan 2016?  I wonder which side this expansion of the electorate will help?

No, people who joined before January are full members, no need for them to pay more.
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« Reply #326 on: July 21, 2016, 01:23:24 AM »

I would assume that the new RSs fall into three main groups:

- People who have joined since January and want a vote (assuming they are allowed to do this).  Presumably fairly pro-Corbyn.
- Corbynistas who never got round to joining.  Obviously very pro-Corbyn.
- Left-leaning voters who want a functioning Labour party to oppose the Tories.  Generally anti-Corbyn.

I've no idea what the relative numbers of those would be.
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« Reply #327 on: July 21, 2016, 02:46:41 AM »

Can you still register as RS?
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« Reply #328 on: July 21, 2016, 03:20:18 AM »


No, the deadline was yesterday.
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« Reply #329 on: July 21, 2016, 03:28:55 AM »

I love how Corbyn says 'I don't do personalities' when he's clearly briefed the Press, and his surrogate (Diane Abbott) to attack him on that.

We want politicians with real life experience! But it can't be in a capitalist group.

Tbh Smith should paint Corbyn as a Westminster politician who's hopelessly out of touch 
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« Reply #330 on: July 21, 2016, 08:11:16 AM »

My personal prediction for this is that Corbyn will win this one again but with a smaller majority than previously, I wouldn't be too shocked to see him defeated however. As for whether the party will split if he wins, I'm not quite so sure...again I wouldn't be too shocked either way.

Regarding my preference I guess it would be Corbyn, purely because of Smith's policy of a second EU Referendum if elected.
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« Reply #331 on: July 21, 2016, 04:35:52 PM »

For very devout Labour watchers Anne Black (the only NEC member I've actually heard of) and who I voted for whenever the last NEC elections were before this has been attacked by LRC, and they've vowed never to support her again.

TL;DR: John McDonnell is beginning the purges on people who are actually on the left (not soft left) of the party
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« Reply #332 on: July 21, 2016, 05:12:05 PM »

TL;DR: John McDonnell is beginning the purges on people who are actually on the left (not soft left) of the party

Oh dear God...
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« Reply #333 on: July 21, 2016, 05:44:08 PM »

Black runs on the Grassroots Alliance slate (i.e. the Organised Left) in NEC elections but is not part of the CPLD.
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« Reply #334 on: July 22, 2016, 06:56:23 AM »

Black runs on the Grassroots Alliance slate (i.e. the Organised Left) in NEC elections but is not part of the CPLD.

I honestly don't understand how the CPLD and these other groups have survived for so long during their wilderness years
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« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2016, 08:54:26 AM »

I've never been so disappointed by the labour leadership contest,

You don't remember the early stages of the last year? When the excitement was between Burnham and Cooper
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« Reply #336 on: July 22, 2016, 11:30:17 AM »

I've never been so disappointed by the labour leadership contest,

You don't remember the early stages of the last year? When the excitement was between Burnham and Cooper

And Miss Personality herself Liz Kendall!
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« Reply #337 on: July 22, 2016, 04:30:53 PM »

I've never been so disappointed by the labour leadership contest,

You don't remember the early stages of the last year? When the excitement was between Burnham and Cooper

And Miss Personality herself Liz Kendall!

Confession- I very briefly flirted with the idea of supporting Kendall after seeing her on Marr, for about a day most people were impressed with her
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« Reply #338 on: July 23, 2016, 07:37:19 PM »

Corbyn is still the overwhelming favorite in the race:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/labour-leadership-jeremy-corbyn-more-double-support-owen-smith
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« Reply #339 on: July 24, 2016, 01:56:33 AM »


What is wrong with Labour voters? Seriously.
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« Reply #340 on: July 24, 2016, 06:15:50 AM »
« Edited: July 24, 2016, 06:17:59 AM by Phony Moderate »


Well most of them are working-class. That fact may have little to do with the leadership situation, but from the POV of, say, Chuka Umunna it would indicate that something is wrong with them. Smiley

On that point, I wonder if Chuka has been managing to avoid the 'trash' as of late?
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« Reply #341 on: July 24, 2016, 06:44:34 AM »


A decent proportion of respondents in that poll (which, note, is a subsample of Labour supporters in a national poll) have probably never heard of Owen Smith or at least know very little about him.
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« Reply #342 on: July 24, 2016, 07:24:48 AM »


A decent proportion of respondents in that poll (which, note, is a subsample of Labour supporters in a national poll) have probably never heard of Owen Smith or at least know very little about him.

Plus he's got the most generic and forgettable name in the universe.
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« Reply #343 on: July 24, 2016, 11:47:06 AM »


A decent proportion of respondents in that poll (which, note, is a subsample of Labour supporters in a national poll) have probably never heard of Owen Smith or at least know very little about him.

Plus he's got the most generic and forgettable name in the universe.

Heh, Owen is less generic and forgettable than John at least. Tongue
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« Reply #344 on: July 24, 2016, 03:53:01 PM »

Heh, Owen is less generic and forgettable than John at least. Tongue

Labour tried that one in the early 90s; unfortunately, he died and Blair took his place.
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« Reply #345 on: July 24, 2016, 03:59:01 PM »

Heh, Owen is less generic and forgettable than John at least. Tongue

Labour tried that one in the early 90s; unfortunately, he died and Blair took his place.


...yes, I'm aware of John Smith and I was deliberately referencing him. -_-
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« Reply #346 on: July 24, 2016, 04:48:09 PM »

A poll of that sort is basically name recognition and no one knows who Owen Smith is. Most Labour voters are also pretty instinctively loyal to the Leader particularly when in opposition; which, also, is why surveys showing him at negative approval with Labour voters are significant. Of course... against all of that... subsample issues lol.
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« Reply #347 on: July 25, 2016, 04:53:15 AM »

If I'm reading what's going on correctly the Corbynistas are presently busily turning the Labour Party into a pure left wing protest party.

That's all fine and dandy but the end result will almost certainly be an open ended period of Conservative government.

I really don't see the point of doing that in all honesty.
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« Reply #348 on: July 25, 2016, 09:26:41 AM »

If I'm reading what's going on correctly the Corbynistas are presently busily turning the Labour Party into a pure left wing protest party.

That's all fine and dandy but the end result will almost certainly be an open ended period of Conservative government.

I really don't see the point of doing that in all honesty.

I suppose the Hard Left prefers losing the next GE with Corbyn rather than with Owen Smith. Because, let's be honest, does anyone here see Owen Smith beating Theresa May?
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« Reply #349 on: July 25, 2016, 10:57:13 AM »

If I'm reading what's going on correctly the Corbynistas are presently busily turning the Labour Party into a pure left wing protest party.

That's all fine and dandy but the end result will almost certainly be an open ended period of Conservative government.

I really don't see the point of doing that in all honesty.

I suppose the Hard Left prefers losing the next GE with Corbyn rather than with Owen Smith. Because, let's be honest, does anyone here see Owen Smith beating Theresa May?

Now, but I'd rather have 250 MPs rather than 160... It's all tactics, much like Kinnock and the new right did in 80's we need to be thinking long term. Heck the tories knew that Michael Howard would do better than IDS, and they replaced him
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