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« Reply #600 on: September 24, 2016, 05:14:19 AM »

Turnout is said to be 77.6%, slightly up from last time.
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« Reply #601 on: September 24, 2016, 05:54:29 AM »

Corbyn 61.8%
Smith 38.2%

313,209 to 193,229
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« Reply #602 on: September 24, 2016, 06:12:09 AM »

ayy lmao
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« Reply #603 on: September 24, 2016, 06:23:51 AM »

Well guess we'll be here next year then
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« Reply #604 on: September 24, 2016, 06:28:14 AM »

YouGov continues its impressive record in party leadership elections.
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« Reply #605 on: September 24, 2016, 06:32:00 AM »

Very little change on last year, which given the alternations to the membership likely means some deterioration amongst longterm members (who o/c are the overwhelming majority of activists) - not healthy.
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« Reply #606 on: September 24, 2016, 06:36:30 AM »

59% of members, 60% of affiliates and 70% of registered supporters for Corbyn, so the biggest 'swing' against him came in the third category.
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« Reply #607 on: September 24, 2016, 07:16:36 AM »

It's a bit of a surprise that Smith didn't wait for the provisional ballots to be counted.
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« Reply #608 on: September 24, 2016, 10:19:30 AM »

According to YouGov it seems Corbyn's victory came from those members that joined after May 2015, especially those that joined after Sept 2015 when Corbyn first became leader.  It seem that Corbyn won the battle of signing up new members.
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« Reply #609 on: September 24, 2016, 10:22:02 AM »

It seems to me that PLP should just accept that unless May completely messed up LAB will just have to lose the next election and then Corbyn can be go and they can start from scratch.  To have leadership contests every year will only lead to greater splintering at the LAB base and make the next general election defeat even more catastrophic. 
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« Reply #610 on: September 24, 2016, 11:32:25 AM »

Plan now is to resist rule changes to stop the left asserting itself; namely keeping the 15% of MP requirements to get on the ballot, keeping the NEC makeup the same (we've added two posts) Apart from the surge in membership the structures/rules of the party haven't changed- we haven't had our Mcgovern moment yet
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« Reply #611 on: September 24, 2016, 12:03:13 PM »

A lot of important Conference votes upcoming yeah. If an elected ShadCab does happen that also means less NEC votes for the Leadership, incidentally.
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« Reply #612 on: September 24, 2016, 12:36:04 PM »

Now I know how RINO Tom, Vosem and the others feel about the GOP.
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« Reply #613 on: September 24, 2016, 12:37:52 PM »

Some important news, perhaps more important than the results: Unison (core group swing vote) have come out very strongly against factional deselections.
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« Reply #614 on: September 24, 2016, 04:00:39 PM »

Corbyn 61.8%
Smith 38.2%

313,209 to 193,229

Actually, given a lot of the rumours, that's a *narrower* margin  than I was led to expect...
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« Reply #615 on: September 24, 2016, 06:24:36 PM »

Now I know how RINO Tom, Vosem and the others feel about the GOP.

yup, pretty much.
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« Reply #616 on: September 25, 2016, 04:50:03 AM »

Corbyn 61.8%
Smith 38.2%

313,209 to 193,229

Actually, given a lot of the rumours, that's a *narrower* margin  than I was led to expect...

I suspect most of those rumours were coming from non-Corbynites, in an attempt to lower expectations for their side.
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« Reply #617 on: September 25, 2016, 06:02:05 AM »

Now I know how RINO Tom, Vosem and the others feel about the GOP.

You may disagree with her politics as a whole (and at least she's within the mainstream and has some respectable positions), but at least May is competent, sane, and will do her job well within mainstream parameters. Theresa May does seem like the centre-right mirror to a centre-left Hillary Clinton. I don't necessarily think Corbyn is a Trump of the left, but if he shared a bit more of that personality type, I honestly could see myself in the position of the #NeverTrump Republicans in a reverse scenario in the UK. Theresa May is far from the worst Conservative to lose to, but I still wouldn't want to hand a commanding Majority Government to anyone on the right.

Unless there's a big shift in public opinion over the next couple years, the Conservatives will probably be reelected with an expanded Majority. Obviously, a lot can change over the next couple years, but I don't think they change that much short of major exigent circumstances. With a strong Labour Party, it's very possible or even likely that the Tories would be denied a Majority Government. A weak Labour Party will almost certainly mean a strong and expanded Conservative Majority. I really have to wonder how much the Labour Party is underestimating somewhat like Theresa May. I think it's stupidity. I think she's the best leader for the Tories since Margaret Thatcher herself.
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« Reply #618 on: September 25, 2016, 09:13:15 AM »

Er, she isn't known as Chairman May for nothing...
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« Reply #619 on: September 25, 2016, 09:18:50 AM »

The next GE is in fecking 2020, gee, chill out a bit everyone. The Tories will have a great opportunity to feck up Brexit until then, and maybe the #publicopinion will start to realize that what they need right now is less neoliberalism and a bit more left-wing policies. Or not. Let's see, shall we ?
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« Reply #620 on: September 25, 2016, 09:42:17 AM »

May's record at the home office doesn't exactly scream "competent".

And here first major policy being to bring back grammar schools doesn't exactly scream "sane" either.
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« Reply #621 on: September 25, 2016, 10:46:48 AM »

Theresa May will be likely in power by 2025, and the Labour Party is in grave danger. This is what happens when you allow far-left fringe kooks to take over a once grand party. Yes, Blairism/Brownism/Milibandism had some flaws, but Corbyn is too pacifist to win Britain's minds. Can you see a Prime Minister Corbyn under a international crisis?

May will probably be there until 2025. If not, the Tories could pick Johnson or Hammond as a successor.
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« Reply #622 on: September 25, 2016, 11:08:50 AM »

Theresa May will be likely in power by 2025, and the Labour Party is in grave danger. This is what happens when you allow far-left fringe kooks to take over a once grand party. Yes, Blairism/Brownism/Milibandism had some flaws, but Corbyn is too pacifist to win Britain's minds. Can you see a Prime Minister Corbyn under a international crisis?

May will probably be there until 2025. If not, the Tories could pick Johnson or Hammond as a successor.

You heard it here first, folks.
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« Reply #623 on: September 25, 2016, 01:43:46 PM »

May's record at the home office doesn't exactly scream "competent".

And here first major policy being to bring back grammar schools doesn't exactly scream "sane" either.

Well she is up against the most incompetent party leader in modern British history so next to that obviously she is going to look competent.

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet which the media has not even begun to trawl through. If you think the press has been hard on Corbyn up to this point let me tell you this now: you ain't seen nothing yet.
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« Reply #624 on: September 25, 2016, 01:45:16 PM »

Yeah, the Tories could very well be in power for a generation. Ugh.
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