Labour Party (UK) Leadership Election, 2016

[DC Al Fine]

Theresa May will be likely in power by 2025, and the Labour Party is in grave danger. This is what happens when you allow far-left fringe kooks to take over a once grand party. Yes, Blairism/Brownism/Milibandism had some flaws, but Corbyn is too pacifist to win Britain's minds. Can you see a Prime Minister Corbyn under a international crisis?

May will probably be there until 2025. If not, the Tories could pick Johnson or Hammond as a successor.

I sort of agree, but then I remember that up until about 18 months ago, the Atlas as talking about how demographic changes had ensured the Tories would never win a majority again Anything can happen.

[vileplume]

And for the record I don't think the media has by and large been overly harsh on Jeremy Corbyn in fact I would argue they have gone rather easy compared to what they could have done, but expect the really damning news stories to hit right around April 2020 so they have maximum impact. Mostly the press has just called Corbyn a useless leader (true by any definition of the word 'useless'), warned he will lead Labour to a crashing defeat (backed up by overwhelming evidence) and reported on whatever idiotic statement/action he had come out with that week (Traingate, calling for Article 50 to be triggered immediately, suggesting after work drinks should be banned etc.). As much as Corbynistas wail that they've been 'harsh' you simply cannot pull positive news stories out of mid-air and in bleak times for Labour the news cycle will obviously also be bleak. But as I said in my previous post with regards to negative stories on Corbyn and co. we've just seen the tip of the iceberg...

[Blair]

Eh Theresa May is very good at appearing moderate- her entire record seems to be a mix of fleeting indecision (Brexit campaigning) and complete disregard (Grammar Schools/Nasty Party speech)

As we've already seen if the Cameroon faction push hard she's going to struggle

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet which the media has not even begun to trawl through. If you think the press has been hard on Corbyn up to this point let me tell you this now: you ain't seen nothing yet.

I mean having a quick scan through Hansard gives you idea enough.

[Zanas]

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet

The last Prime Minister was once a prick in a tuxedo with his dick inside a dead pig's mouth. I think skeletons in the closet can come and go...

[Phony Moderate]

*If* those who say that Corbyn's low energy campaign lost Remain the referendum are right and *if* he secretly wanted/voted for Brexit, then he's arguably the most successful and impactful Labour leader ever, with the possible exception of Attlee.

[Phony Moderate]

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet

The last Prime Minister was once a prick in a tuxedo with his dick inside a dead pig's mouth. I think skeletons in the closet can come and go...

Weren't Alec Douglas-Home and Rab Butler both supporters of appeasement? I suppose the argument would be that Labour and the media didn't make much of that whereas the Tories and the media would of Corbyn's past...but look at the recent Republican race (in which tens of millions of people voted rather than just half a million party members). Trump claiming to be a true conservative despite various donations to liberal politicians, past statements etc. His rivals and the media constantly brought those facts up, but to no avail. If Corbyn does lead the party to a big defeat (which is possible) then I would suggest that his past would not be a big factor.

[parochial boy]

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet

The last Prime Minister was once a prick in a tuxedo with his dick inside a dead pig's mouth. I think skeletons in the closet can come and go...

And let's not forget his jaunt to apartheid South Africa

[Antonio the Sixth]

One thing to keep in mind is that the Tories or interests that support them more or less control the British press. Being "as good as the Tories" will never be good enough for a Labour leader, they have to be beyond any reproach or else they will be demolished.

[Slow Learner]

What I don't think the Corbynistas fully realise is even if the Tories do screw up Brexit Labour has an Achilles heel that it is almost impossible to overcome, that is Corbyn's past. Corbyn, McDonnell and the people around them have some very unpleasant skeletons in their closet

The last Prime Minister was once a prick in a tuxedo with his dick inside a dead pig's mouth. I think skeletons in the closet can come and go...

That was a total lie, btw.

[jimrtex]

This is just beyond embarrassing

Does ram-packed mean the same as jam-packed?

[King of Kensington]

*If* those who say that Corbyn's low energy campaign lost Remain the referendum are right and *if* he secretly wanted/voted for Brexit, then he's arguably the most successful and impactful Labour leader ever, with the possible exception of Attlee.

Didn't something like 70% of Labour supporters vote Remain?  How much more could have a stronger pro-EU campaign obtained, realistically?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Now I know how RINO Tom, Vosem and the others feel about the GOP.

and me

[parochial boy]

*If* those who say that Corbyn's low energy campaign lost Remain the referendum are right and *if* he secretly wanted/voted for Brexit, then he's arguably the most successful and impactful Labour leader ever, with the possible exception of Attlee.

Didn't something like 70% of Labour supporters vote Remain?  How much more could have a stronger pro-EU campaign obtained, realistically?

There was some opinion polling before the election which indicated that 50% of Labour supporters weren't even aware of the Labour party's position.

Anecdotally, I know of at least two people who voted leave because they trusted their MP, who supported the leave campaign. Their MP was Alan Johnson, noted remain campaigner.

Incidentally, it was about 64% of Labour supporters who voted remain, if as many as 70% had, it probably would have swung the result.

[Blair]

Conference has been an hilarous sh**t show today

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Conference has been an hilarous sh**t show today

TAKE THAT WALL