Bernie die-hards file class-action lawsuit against DNC

[Crumpets]

If you've been following the latest misadventures of the "true" Bernie Bros with the same sick fascination as I have, you'll have seen this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAJ5fAm3Cs

posted all over the place. Apparently, these people are not all hat and no cattle, as yesterday they actually filed their lawsuit against the DNC claiming systemic collusion and fraud to deliver the election to Hillary.

Here's their smoking gun "evidence": http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/1-1-EXHIBIT-1-TO-CLASS-ACTION-COMPLAINT.pdf

Here's the Facebook page for updates: https://www.facebook.com/DNCfraudlawsuit/

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[President Johnson]

Can't wait for Big Don's response!

[Ebsy]

The complaint in this suit is a total joke. The whole suit will be dismissed the moment a judge lays eyes on it.

[Virginiá]

Omg this is getting so utterly pathetic now. Why can't they just accept that a comfortable majority of voters wanted Clinton more than Sanders? What is their goal, to have the DNC reimburse everyone because their candidate lost? I've never heard something so absurd.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Unfortunately it's not just a bunch of kooks like them. Sanders's interview today with with Andrea Mitchell, where he acted like he was the winner and was expecting Hillary to endorse him, will understand that this entire mentality comes straight from the top of the campaign.

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Unfortunately it's not just a bunch of kooks like them. Sanders's interview today with with Andrea Mitchell, where he acted like he was the winner and was expecting Hillary to endorse him, will understand that this entire mentality comes straight from the top of the campaign.

Every campaign has a few nutcases, including your beloved Clinton campaign.

[DS0816]

Omg this is getting so utterly pathetic now. Why can't they just accept that a comfortable majority of voters wanted Clinton more than Sanders? What is their goal, to have the DNC reimburse everyone because their candidate lost? I've never heard something so absurd.

I've accepted it.

Counting states which are Nos. 2 through 9 ranked in population, which are Texas through North Carolina, Hillary Clinton carried all, except Illinois, by a minimum of +10. (Are the votes still being counted in California?)

Of the Top 21 states which have double-digit electoral votes, which run from California through Minnesota, they add up to 379 electoral votes. About 70 percent of the nation. Hillary carried 16 of them.

The most-populous state carried by Bernie Sanders was my home state Michigan. It ranks as No. 10.

I found the most telling reason to be the turnout size of the vote from the four respective age groups: 17 to 29 (in a general they are 18 to 29); 30 to 44; 45 to 64; and 65+. In a general election, the youngest pair and oldest pair both run for about 50/50 percent. In the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, the youngest pair underperformed turnout at about 40 percent. (In some states, they were in the high-30s.)

A lot of those states carried by Hillary Clinton by +5 or less would have gone to Bernie Sanders had the turnout sizes of the pairs run even. A lot of people can say the young don't vote. Well, it depends on how young. The 30 to 44 group, in a general election, are about 30 percent. In these 2016 Democratic primaries/caucuses states when they turned out in the low-20s…they were severe underperformances.

Lesson is this: If you're in the youngest age group, or next to youngest, and your pick for the nomination is not the same as your older, or oldest, counterparts…you have to absolutely turn out for the battle. Otherwise, your older, or oldest, counterparts will win.

[Tartarus Sauce]

What a bunch of sore losers.

[Santander]

The most scandalous part of that document is that some idiot consultant implied that Chris Christie is a good governor.

[Virginiá]

I've accepted it.

Oh I didn't mean all Bernie supporters. Just the ones who are still clinging to this idea that they the nomination was stolen or that the election was rigged. The ones who refuse to let this go. I mean a lawsuit asking for mass reimbursements? Seriously?

Also, I am curious - Would members of the DNC breaking their own rules even be a legitimate issue that voters could litigate? Could this be spun as fraud? Because Bernie was never guaranteed to win. Donations were made to allow him to wage a campaign, which he did.

Lesson is this: If you're in the youngest age group, or next to youngest, and your pick for the nomination is not the same as your older, or oldest, counterparts…you have to absolutely turn out for the battle. Otherwise, your older, or oldest, counterparts will win.

I have to wonder - Did Bernie ever try specifically to win over older people? Did he ever make a big push for that? He did way better than I ever truly expected, but his losses among older voters was just too much. I don't think his democratic socialist label really helped in that regard. America has gotten more accepting of many things over time, but let's not get ahead of ourselves with that.

[Santander]

I have to wonder - Did Bernie ever try specifically to win over older people? Did he ever make a big push for that? He did way better than I ever truly expected, but he losses among older voters was just too much. I don't think his democratic socialist label really helped in that regard. America has gotten more accepting of many things over time, but let's not get ahead of ourselves with that.

He constantly talks about the same stuff he campaigns on re: SS, Medicare, etc. in the Senate, so he did have a platform to attract older voters, but it's time consuming, and I'm not sure he had time for it. If I were him, I would've taken advantage of Fox News earlier. Fox is a very useful outlet to reach older Democratic voters, and neither Dem candidate tapped its potential.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Are the Bernie die-hards also still planning the massive "fart-in" during the convention?

[DS0816]

I've accepted it.

Oh I didn't mean all Bernie supporters. Just the ones who are still clinging to this idea that they the nomination was stolen or that the election was rigged. The ones who refuse to let this go. I mean a lawsuit asking for mass reimbursements? Seriously?

Also, I am curious - Would members of the DNC breaking their own rules even be a legitimate issue that voters could litigate? Could this be spun as fraud? Because Bernie was never guaranteed to win. Donations were made to allow him to wage a campaign, which he did.

Lesson is this: If you're in the youngest age group, or next to youngest, and your pick for the nomination is not the same as your older, or oldest, counterparts…you have to absolutely turn out for the battle. Otherwise, your older, or oldest, counterparts will win.

I have to wonder - Did Bernie ever try specifically to win over older people? Did he ever make a big push for that? He did way better than I ever truly expected, but his losses among older voters was just too much. I don't think his democratic socialist label really helped in that regard. America has gotten more accepting of many things over time, but let's not get ahead of ourselves with that.

I know, Virginia.

My comment was more in a following up to adding to what you had written to mention what I also noticed with those 2016 Democratic presidential primaries results (nationwide).

In answer to your second question, I haven't looked in several weeks at state-by-state polls from CNN's website. (I live in Michigan. I was away for more than a week in Colorado earlier this month.) But, from what I remember, it was a head-to-head battle involving some fun for those who just love to crunch numbers. What stood out, though, was the size of the vote between those two sectors: 18 to 29 and 30 to 44 vs. 45 to 64 and 65+. Hillary won the two which carried nationally for Mitt Romney in 2012 while Bernie won the two which carried for the re-election of Barack Obama in 2012. But, the sizes of those votes explain much of why Hillary pulled out those +5 or less wins in her birth state Illinois and Massachusetts, and certainly in Iowa, for a few examples.

The platform of Bernie Sanders is what is even more important than the candidate himself. If Hillary Clinton wins election to become the 45th president of the United States, enough of that platform will be folded into the party's platform to satisfy enough Bernie Sanders primaries voters. And, looking at these +10 to +14 polls for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump, these factions (Bernie voters vs. Hillary voters) will have successfully become united.

I do stand by this: The 18 to 29 voters are the Democrats' No. 1 voting-age base. They were the only ones carried nationally, in 2004, by John Kerry. (He received 48.27 percent of the U.S. Popular Vote. He carried 18 to 29 voters with 54 percent of their support.) They gave Barack Obama, with his nearly 53 percent of the U.S. Popular Vote in 2008, 66 percent of their vote nationwide. With Obama's re-election, with nearly 51 percent, the 18 to 29 voters carried for him at 60 percent. If Hillary Clinton wins this 2016 presidential election, this voting-age group will be there for her first. From all four voting-age groups, they will give her her best support. If she wins with, say, 55 or 56 percent of the vote (while Donald Trump tops at 42 or 43 percent), they will likely match the 66 percent Obama won in 2008. (Maybe slightly better.)

[Seriously?]

Their argument may hold weight if Bernie actually carried the popular vote (and only some weight because the parties are free to make up their own election rules), but Bernie didnt.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Are the Bernie die-hards also still planning the massive "fart-in" during the convention?

It's an integral part of their charm offensive to win superdelegates.

[Lief 🗽]

Does anyone have a link to the complaint? Kind of curious to read it

[HAnnA MArin County]

Did jfern sign on to the lawsuit?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Don't bother. These folks become fewer and even less relevant with every passing day.

[Chief Justice Keef]

"I got it guys, let's sue the DNC and their super-delegates and then they'll willingly vote for Bernie at the convention!"

Sometimes Berniecrats need to learn to keep their mouths shut.

[Illiniwek]

There aren't enough wah-mbulances in the world...

[Crumpets]

Their argument may hold weight if Bernie actually carried the popular vote (and only some weight because the parties are free to make up their own election rules), but Bernie didnt.

Ah, but you see, he DID win the popular vote, it's just the DNC and the MSM conspiring to make you THINK he didn't!

[Seriously?]

Their argument may hold weight if Bernie actually carried the popular vote (and only some weight because the parties are free to make up their own election rules), but Bernie didnt.

Ah, but you see, he DID win the popular vote, it's just the DNC and the MSM conspiring to make you THINK he didn't!

Maybe it's that common core math.

[RaphaelDLG]

Hillary won because she had a few million more supporters than Bernie.  Bottom line.  But it's pretty lame, undemocratic, and stupidly partisan that everyone here is like "duh, the primary should have been tilted in hillary's favor by the DNC, of course, who cares."

[Ebsy]

Hillary won because she had a few million more supporters than Bernie.  Bottom line.  But it's pretty lame, undemocratic, and stupidly partisan that everyone here is like "duh, the primary should have been tilted in hillary's favor by the DNC, of course, who cares."

The memo in question was written before Sanders' filed his candidacy, and it wasn't even written by the DNC, but was sent to them. It's such a non-issue.