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Question: ...which party would he vote for?
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People Before Profit
 
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« on: July 06, 2016, 09:16:38 PM »
« edited: July 06, 2016, 09:19:18 PM by Poo-tee-weet? »

Of those currently represented in the Northern Ireland Assembly.

Things to consider:

  • SDLP are the closet to being 'all liberal, all the time' but they're icky Catholics.
  • Alliance are moderate heroes.
  • PBP are Trotskyists.
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 09:21:53 PM »

Usually Social Democratic and Labour Party. Maybe occasionally Sinn Fein.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 10:43:24 PM »

Whichever party is strongest against Bad Ireland.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2016, 11:00:23 PM »

Usually Social Democratic and Labour Party. Maybe occasionally Sinn Fein.

lol, no.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2016, 12:36:11 AM »

Green, I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2016, 12:42:13 AM »


But he thinks that the Green Party is made up of closeted fascists.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2016, 12:57:34 AM »


But he thinks that the Green Party is made up of closeted fascists.

No that's the American Green Party. I actually like the Greens in countries like Germany, Austria and the Netherlands, though the UK Greens aren't as much of a serious party.

To answer the question, Alliance.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2016, 01:08:00 AM »


I was thinking he'd do anything to beat the conservative parties.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2016, 02:03:16 AM »

The South Down and Londonderry Party is definitely all liberal, all the time, but they're basically soft unionist and they take the Labor whip in Westminster. I think the Greens are more up BRTD's alley.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2016, 02:07:06 AM »

Also I really like NI21
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2016, 05:57:23 AM »

Cor, they still exist?  The last I heard about them was when they managed to self-destruct a few days before the last set of Euro elections (something to do with changing their Assembly designation from "unionist" to "other" because of the connotations of "unionist") and they didn't stand any candidates in the last Assembly elections, so I'd assumed that they had died.

The parties are awful in Northern Ireland; I know someone who lives there who's on the left but vaguely Unionist and a member of the Labour party: he usually ends up either voting for the SDLP, the Alliance or random Independents depending on who they are: he won't vote for Sinn Fein because they are frankly terrible: and most other left-wing parties in the place aren't much better.  The Greens in NI are the Irish Greens (there isn't a unitary Green party in the UK: Northern Ireland gets the Irish Greens and Scotland has its own separate Green party with different (and better) leadership and policies) and I'm pretty sure they are a lot less watermelon-y than the other two Green parties although them governing with Fianna Fail in the south is a factor in why I think that.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2016, 06:01:32 AM »

If BRTD lived in Northern Ireland, he's be probably long dead.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2016, 06:44:41 AM »

Sdlp's perspective on abortion don't satisfy the ALATT guidelines.

I think Green - the NI Greens are closer to the yellow-greens of ROI than the red-greens of England, Wales and Scotland.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2016, 06:51:46 AM »

ALL PROTESTANT ALL THE TIME
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2016, 07:14:06 AM »

How does Sinn From have three votes?
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2016, 09:01:59 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2016, 09:06:06 AM by L'exquisite Douleur »

Not sure how this effects how I'd be in Northern Ireland, but my ancestry is 1/4 Catholic.

Truthfully this was a big cause in my annoyance at treating Catholic like a race instead of a chosen trait, since some people here have actually tried to apply Northern Ireland standards on that to the US, which is downright absurd (a big part of why I got on Gully so much when he started posting) and doing that is kind of the inevitable conclusion from believing that "cultural Catholicism" is still a big thing in the modern day US. Also my talk about how Millennials don't care about culture is largely based off the fact that Millennials in the US DON'T operate that way and don't see being from a Catholic or Protestant (or in the Midwest even Jewish) background to be that big of a deal or separate and distinctive cultures. That might admittedly be a misinterpretation of what people mean by "culture", especially with the points brought up in that thread, but as I sarcastically quipped to ingemann here, the idea that Catholicism forms a separate and distinct culture in the US separate from the mainstream white culture that I'm a part of is pretty silly. It also reminds me of why I posted that Santander post in the GPG earlier, it's because (and remember the type of people I am likely to hang out with), I don't know ANYONE who is proud to have been raised Catholic or considers that a key part of their identity. Not saying that they're all angry and bitter either, most just seem to regard it as something that happened but no longer is relevant to who they are.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2016, 09:17:58 AM »


People who think Northern Irish politics runs on a standard economic left-right scale?
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2016, 10:08:43 AM »

what about the PROGRESSIVE UNIONIST PARTY
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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 11:25:34 AM »

...Do people not realize that BRTD's views on Catholicism and Ireland?
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2016, 12:17:23 PM »

...Do people not realize that BRTD's views on Catholicism and Ireland?

Seriously. At least Alliance has a plurality (and it's who I voted for.)
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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2016, 02:13:07 PM »

There's also a liberal wing of the UUP (like Sylvia Hermon) but it's tough to see myself as a part of that today. Maybe like 20 years ago.
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2016, 05:00:52 PM »

The UUP were never really "liberal"; it just wasn't as crazy as Paisley and the DUP were.  Remember that they took the Tory whip until 1973 when the party split over power sharing and the anti-Assembly side won: and retained other links until the Anglo-Irish agreement managed to annoy virtually every prominent unionist.  Even the "liberal" wing of the UUP probably had views of a fair few issues that btrd probably wouldn't be very fond off - I'm sure that once upon a time Lord Maginnis was seen as being on the socially Liberal wing of the UUP and yet he made comments about homosexuality that'd probably make most Republican congress members blush

I voted Green for what its worth; if only because its a slightly cooler option for younger folk.  It probably depends what level you are talking about though; someone who'd give the Greens their first preference in an Assembly election might end up voting Alliance in a Westminster election, especially if its a place where the Alliance has a chance of doing well.  I'm not a big NI expert though so I could be wrong.
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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2016, 05:54:20 PM »

Waiy, the party he'd probably support most in NI would be Cannabis Is Safer Than Alcohol (which is weirdly well organised there).

It is interesting to wonder how would get a lower preference by brtd: sinn fein or Dup/tuv?
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2016, 07:33:50 PM »

Waiy, the party he'd probably support most in NI would be Cannabis Is Safer Than Alcohol (which is weirdly well organised there).

It is interesting to wonder how would get a lower preference by brtd: sinn fein or Dup/tuv?

I wouldn't pref any of them.
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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 07:35:30 PM »

But anyway Alliance while moderate heroes doesn't really bother me in this context. I just find Catholicism repugnant theologically and am simply not capable of separating the "culture" from that. And the DUP are obviously repugnant too. So Alliance as a de facto Protestant party that aren't insane like them is the most logical choice.
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