Should New England Secede and Join Canada ?

[101spotted]

Well should it?

I feel so for a number of reasons. Firstly, we would have the Queen reigning over us and I personally love her and feel constitutional monarchy is superior to what we have now;  and secondly, I feel we would have a better system of government, a better healthcare system,
more generous social welfare, so on.

How does everyone else feel about this?

[Taco Truck 🚚]

I think there is a section for parody posts.  I'm not sure.  But if there isn't there should be.

[RINO Tom]

Well should it?

I feel so for a number of reasons. Firstly, we would have the Queen reigning over us and I personally love her and think constitutional monarchy is superior to what we have now;  and secondly, I feel we would have a better system of government, a better healthcare system,
more generous social welfare, so on.

How does everyone else feel about this?

The same as Abraham Lincoln.

[101spotted]

I think there is a section for parody posts.  I'm not sure.  But if there isn't there should be.

I'm quite serious.

[Taco Truck 🚚]

I think there is a section for parody posts.  I'm not sure.  But if there isn't there should be.

I'm quite serious.

Then that is truly unfortunate.

[101spotted]

Then that is truly unfortunate.

The only thing that I feel is truly unfortunate is this country's constitution and current state of affairs.

[Blue3]

I'd think ~30% of New Englanders would vote in favor, especially if it was guaranteed we'd be admitted into Canada and leave the US peacefully.

[This account no longer in use.]

I'm fine as is. If something like this ever got somewhat widespread support, I might reconsider, but for now, I'm okay with staying in America.

[Santander]

I have a hard time believing Canada would accept Massholes even if they voted in favor.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

New Englanders who entertain ideas like this are the second-worst kind of New Englander (New Englander who's entertained ideas like this, normal).

[Taco Truck 🚚]

Then that is truly unfortunate.

The only thing that I feel is truly unfortunate is this country's constitution and current state of affairs.

You mean having the best universities, companies, hospitals, space program, and military in the world?  That's what bothers you?

I really doubt you know enough about Canada to truly say you want to throw in with that lot.  Canada is a frozen wasteland with a smattering of people.  The population of New England is 40% the size of Canada (14.5 million vs 35 million).  And the land mass of Canada is second only to Russia.  If New England were admitted into Canada they would dominate.  Whatever you think you see in Canada would evaporate with that kind of dilution.

[This account no longer in use.]

New Englanders who entertain ideas like this are the second-worst kind of New Englander (New Englander who's entertained ideas like this, normal).

What's the worst kind? New Hampshirites?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

New Englanders who entertain ideas like this are the second-worst kind of New Englander (New Englander who's entertained ideas like this, normal).

What's the worst kind? New Hampshirites?

People from southwestern Connecticut, actually. New Hampshirites are third.

[Boston Bread]

Then that is truly unfortunate.

The only thing that I feel is truly unfortunate is this country's constitution and current state of affairs.

You mean having the best universities, companies, hospitals, space program, and military in the world?  That's what bothers you?

If New England left we'd have a lot of the best universities
I wouldn't mind this if Trump won, but New England leaving would disrupt Canada a lot more than the States.

[DC Al Fine]

Then that is truly unfortunate.

The only thing that I feel is truly unfortunate is this country's constitution and current state of affairs.

You mean having the best universities, companies, hospitals, space program, and military in the world?  That's what bothers you?

If New England left we'd have a lot of the best universities
I wouldn't mind this if Trump won, but New England leaving would disrupt Canada a lot more than the States.

New England's population is almost half of Canada's. Them joining would be a BFD for us.

[MasterJedi]

Until everyone is subjected to mandatory massive tax increases and begs to go back to the US.

[Sir Mohamed]

Well should it?

I feel so for a number of reasons. Firstly, we would have the Queen reigning over us and I personally love her and think constitutional monarchy is superior to what we have now;  and secondly, I feel we would have a better system of government, a better healthcare system,
more generous social welfare, so on.

How does everyone else feel about this?

The same as Abraham Lincoln.

I agree.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Until everyone is subjected to mandatory massive tax increases and begs to go back to the US.

Canada's current tax brackets:

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If converted into current US dollars that becomes:

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The US's brackets for singles:

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I fail to see how that's a massive increase, or even significantly different.

[RINO Tom]

^ I honestly don't know, but what is their total tax burden like?  Ever looked at your pay stub??  Income tax is but a slice of the pie.

[DC Al Fine]

^ I honestly don't know, but what is their total tax burden like?  Ever looked at your pay stub??  Income tax is but a slice of the pie.

Not that BRTD is trying to deceive, but the comparison he posted is misleading. Federal income tax brackets are the part of taxation where the US and Canada are most similar. Our welfare state is costly and our tax burden reflects that. Here are some of the major differences in taxation:

1) Provincial taxes are much higher in Canada. Vermont charges 8.95% on income over $410k. My wife pays a similar rate on her whopping $24k income . I'm in the 15% provincial bracket and my income is quite average.

2) It's easier to get deductions in America. e.g. I can't deduct provincial income tax, but you can. Similarly, there are no 'married filing jointly' or 'head of household' brackets, so single parents of moderate means, or couples with a difference in earning power pay much more tax in Canada.

3) Sales tax is higher and much broader. 12-15% is typical.

4) In a lot of provinces, the government owns the liquor stores and charges prices that any mustache twirling capitalist would be proud of.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Here's an odd thing to ponder on: why are the political cultures of New England and the Maritimes so different?

[Boston Bread]

Here's an odd thing to ponder on: why are the political cultures of New England and the Maritimes so different?

The Maritimes have had relatively little immigration and no big cities, making them more comparable to ME/NH/VT. They are sort of similar. A lot of rural liberal whites. The margins in the Maritimes are a lot bigger, but that is because regionalism is more important in Canada.

[beaver2.0]

No.

[Sol]

Here's an odd thing to ponder on: why are the political cultures of New England and the Maritimes so different?

Well, the Maritimes are more rural than New England, and have been in economic decline for ages, whereas New England is generally quite metropolitan and has a decent economy.

Maine seems fairly comparable to the Maritimes to me, but even Maine from what I understand was more historically industrial.

[Senator-elect Spark]

Nope