SB 2016-007: LGBTQ+ Rights Act (Passed Senate)
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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2016, 03:42:14 PM »

Strongly oppose the bill, there are significant issues with religious liberty, therin.

We would not force a black businessman to bake a KKK cake. We should not force a Christian baker to violate their conscience either.

Except, you know, we already have anti-discrimination laws. Why should religious people get a special exemption from those laws?
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2016, 04:05:42 PM »

Because the KKK= Gary and John getting married.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2016, 04:33:00 PM »

Here is my view on religious liberty and LGBT:

Religious liberty can be a slippery slope. If you declare that a baker can deny to bake a cake for a gay wedding because that would constitute participation in the wedding, where do you stop? Can the wheat farmer claim that their religious liberty was violated because someone baked a cake for a gay wedding using flour milled from their wheat? How about the oven manufacturer? Nobody is trying to make the argument for that, but if you grant the baker certain rights, these people must be given the same rights. Cakes and flowers are not the defining characteristic of a wedding in any religion. They are just nice things to have to celebrate the occasion with. As such, I do not consider baking a cake to be participation in a wedding, and I don't think a court would rule so if such a matter ended up in court. If we were talking about forcing bakers to write "Gay Marriage is Great" on a cake, that would be a different story, but I think the First Amendment is already unambiguous on that matter.

Some individuals or businesses, such as wedding planners, or clergymen, perform duties that would involve actual participation in a wedding, and should not be compelled to participate in ceremonies that violate their conscience. Photographers could arguably be included in this group (by virtue of being artists), and religious organizations would definitely be part of this group. I find the cake baker argument unhelpful to passing religious liberty laws, which I believe are important.
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2016, 11:29:39 AM »

Does anyone in the Senate have any objections to this bill other than the rather vague concerns about something that happened in Sweden?
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2016, 05:13:31 PM »

Seeing as 24 hours have passed, the amendment is adopted.

The 72 hour has passed and most senators have been able to weigh in on the issue. Unless there is an objection, I will open the final vote this evening.
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« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2016, 03:23:33 PM »

Will be proudly voting AYE
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« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2016, 05:17:22 PM »

Senators, this bill is now at a final vote. Please vote AYE, NAY or ABSTAIN.



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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2016, 07:16:16 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2016, 11:20:21 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2016, 11:31:26 PM »

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The problem is that the bill, as worded does not provide these protections. You might want them, but they are not included.
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« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2016, 03:52:59 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2016, 11:35:50 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2016, 01:05:10 PM »

This has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.
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« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2016, 04:11:40 PM »

Aye (sane)
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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2016, 11:36:06 PM »

The bill has passed the Senate.
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