Are there any homosexuals/transgenders/transsexuals by choice?
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« on: July 09, 2016, 10:51:41 PM »

I realize the vast majority aren't, but I'm curious if any are and what their reasons are (i.e. a cisgender man who decides to be a woman).
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2016, 11:47:20 PM »

(i.e. a cisgender man who decides to be a woman).

I don't think that's a thing.

unless it's for a drag show or something
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2016, 03:25:41 AM »

I don't think the dichotomy between choice and non-choice (especially if non-choice is interpreted as some ridiculous talk of biological determinism) is relevant to these issues.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 10:19:52 AM »

I'd be pretty shocked if someone with no natural inclinations toward transsexuality/transgender would choose to identify as such, and I'm sure this is the case for homosexuality as well. 

Of course, whether one chooses to remain 'in the closet' or openly identify as such is a "choice," but that's a different context altogether.
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 11:00:57 AM »

I'm sure it exists on a small scale, especially now that society as a whole is pretty accepting of the idea of being homosexual/transgender.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2016, 12:10:45 PM »

There's a lot of bromosexuality going on if you go to a private school/university in the UK- guys who identify as straight but well don't always carry that out
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2016, 11:43:55 PM »

Yes. A very large number. Of course, even if it's a choice, it doesn't matter as long as it's not hurting anyone.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016, 02:32:39 AM »

Men aren't choosing to get a hard dick when thinking about men and then choosing not to the next time.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 01:04:18 PM »

There probably are a few, but not very many.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 03:26:10 PM »
« Edited: July 11, 2016, 03:33:33 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

Does voluntary homosexuality/ transgenderism exist in the sense that social conservative, anti-LGBTs claim it does? No, not really, one doesn't choose their ingrained sexual or gender orientation, although one does choose how to express those underlying impulses. Many people who are LGBT that are raised in an anti-LBGT milieu may have difficulty accepting their sexual identity and attempt to convince themselves as being cisgender/straight, but that is more derived from social pressures acting on one's psyche, and is a phenomenon not present in any significant manner among cisgender heterosexuals who face no stigma for their sexual orientation or gender identity.

Voluntary participation in homosexual acts while not identifying as homosexual, however, is a thing. Facultative homosexuality is particularly common in prisons due to the segregated gender housing of inmates, and many who participate within the prison sexual culture do not consider themselves homosexual for commencing in sexual relations with members of the same sex. There is of course also the infamous "gay for pay" heterosexual male pornographic actors who act in gay porn due to the easier access of entry into the field and higher pay than they would receive in the regular pornographic industry.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 04:18:53 PM »

Also, don't we know since Kinsey that sexual orientation is a continuum rather than a binary? And I'm sure the same logic can be applied even more easily to gender identity (at least, things would make a lot more sense to me if so). If that's the case, someone who's close to the middle can in some sense be said to choose one or the other, if not in theory at least in practice.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2016, 05:35:06 PM »

I realize the vast majority aren't, but I'm curious if any are and what their reasons are (i.e. a cisgender man who decides to be a woman).

You see widespread homosexual behaviour (and real deviant sexual behaviour too, like pedophilia and beastiality) in societies which limit the access between genders. It's possible to imagine some heterosexual people adopt a homosexual lifestyle thanks to lack of access to the other sex, but it's hard to imagine it becoming a identity in USA outside some imprisoned individuals.
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2016, 06:42:01 PM »

It's a completely irrelevant question.
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 12:56:13 PM »

You mean... like... gay-for-pay?
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2016, 01:22:56 PM »

No.  The childhood and teenage years of being gay, lesbian, or transgender are not fun.  It's not fun to live in a world where you're all alone, "different", and bullied and harassed by other kids because you're not like them - which is how you feel if you live in a small town like I did...

I would have never chosen this life.  You're born this way.  And a great many people have taken their lives because it can be a very sad existence.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2016, 05:27:17 PM »

Men aren't choosing to get a hard dick when thinking about men and then choosing not to the next time.

You mean to tell me that you got a boner from this?

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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2016, 07:57:29 AM »

doesn't milo yiannopoulos claim he's in this category? (not that i would take any of his claims at face value)
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2016, 08:09:23 AM »

Men aren't choosing to get a hard dick when thinking about men and then choosing not to the next time.

You mean to tell me that you got a boner from this?



I don't think you get how this works Smiley

If you asked this guy v a woman then I'd day the guy as he's a guy. Obviously.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 06:35:28 PM »

His name is 20RP12.
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2016, 07:43:19 PM »

There probably are a few, but not very many.
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2016, 07:53:45 PM »

Homosexuality is, by definition, not a choice. However, I guess the closest you could get is:

-bisexuals/pansexuals who choose to have homosexual sex (in which case they still wouldn't count as gay)

-straight people who choose to have homosexual sex (I'd imagine it might happen occasionally, but they still wouldn't count as gay)

As for trans people, I'd imagine that since gender is a spectrum, it's hard to draw the line between cis and trans sometimes. For some people near this boundary, the decision on how to identify might amount to a choice.
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« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2016, 10:16:30 PM »

I'm sure there are some people who "choose" their sexuality, but I don't think those people should be taken seriously. Usually these people "go gay" for attention.

Personally,  I think a mixture of being "born that way" and an influence of environmental factors mold a lot of our sexuality really early in life.
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« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2016, 10:36:38 PM »

There are straight people who choose the lifestyle that comes with it, the stereotypical parts.  But the sexual aspect?  I doubt it.
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