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« on: July 12, 2016, 12:22:18 AM »

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/07/11/Ohio-politics-now-john-kasich-says-not-obliged-to-help-donald-trump.html
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 12:25:14 AM »

He needs to unify asap
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 12:25:14 AM »

To clarify, he said he's under no obligation to help Trump win Ohio.  But how is that news?  We already know that he hasn't endorsed Trump, and has made clear that there's a good chance he won't endorse him in the future either.  He's obviously not going to help Trump win Ohio or anywhere else if he isn't supporting his candidacy.  So this is a non-story.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 12:38:36 AM »
« Edited: July 12, 2016, 01:17:33 AM by ProudModerate2 »

What you’ll never see is Kasich in the same picture frame with Donald Trump. In addition to publicly refusing to support Trump, (Kasich campaign chief strategist John) Weaver says that Kasich rebuffed multiple overtures in May from team Trump to join the ticket. ‘He was not interested,’ says Weaver,” writes Washington Post’s Lois Romano.

LOL.
No surprises here. Little-Hands-Drumpf-Fuhrer is toxic waste, and anyone with half-a-brain knows to disassociate oneself from bigot-trump.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 01:13:13 AM »

He knows the consequences. He's not stupid.
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2016, 01:21:27 AM »

Go Kasich Go! FF.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2016, 01:32:47 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2016, 02:15:45 AM »

Pledge? What pledge?
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2016, 08:08:11 AM »

Good.
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2016, 08:32:23 AM »

Sore loser.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2016, 08:46:00 AM »

As a popular governor of a critical battleground state, Kasich could have offered major help.

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2016, 08:50:02 AM »
« Edited: July 12, 2016, 09:45:40 AM by MohamedChalid »

Well, not surprised. But he has backbone. I wouldn't to it either, if I were him. Why should he ruin his reputation?
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2016, 08:59:25 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2016, 09:06:10 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?


Because Trump is heading the ballots on all fifty states and voters pay attention to national politics, not just local. If they see Trump losing consistently in Ohio, then they might feel less inclined to vote GOP this cycle.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2016, 09:12:34 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?


Because Trump is heading the ballots on all fifty states and voters pay attention to national politics, not just local. If they see Trump losing consistently in Ohio, then they might feel less inclined to vote GOP this cycle.

That sounds like a rather ridiculous scenario to be honest.  What evidence is there that voters in a general election have their votes influenced by the performance of a presidential candidate in the polls taken in other states?
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2016, 09:16:09 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?


Because Trump is heading the ballots on all fifty states and voters pay attention to national politics, not just local. If they see Trump losing consistently in Ohio, then they might feel less inclined to vote GOP this cycle.

That sounds like a rather ridiculous scenario to be honest.  What evidence is there that voters in a general election have their votes influenced by the performance of a presidential candidate in the polls taken in other states?


http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2016/05/19-down-ballot-president-election-effects-candidates-kamarck


Throughout history very popular presidential candidates have had “coat-tails,” meaning that the presidential candidate brought so many voters into their column that the other candidates got votes they didn’t even anticipate. And, of course, the opposite happens as well. Very unpopular presidential candidates often cause down-ballot candidates to lose. The following chart illustrates the point


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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2016, 09:23:21 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?


Because Trump is heading the ballots on all fifty states and voters pay attention to national politics, not just local. If they see Trump losing consistently in Ohio, then they might feel less inclined to vote GOP this cycle.

That sounds like a rather ridiculous scenario to be honest.  What evidence is there that voters in a general election have their votes influenced by the performance of a presidential candidate in the polls taken in other states?


http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixgov/posts/2016/05/19-down-ballot-president-election-effects-candidates-kamarck


Throughout history very popular presidential candidates have had “coat-tails,” meaning that the presidential candidate brought so many voters into their column that the other candidates got votes they didn’t even anticipate. And, of course, the opposite happens as well. Very unpopular presidential candidates often cause down-ballot candidates to lose. The following chart illustrates the point




That is different from coat-tails crossing state lines.  Show me the evidence that a presidential candidate's performance in Ohio has any bearing on congressional races in New York.  The congressional races in New York could be impacted by the presidential race in New York, but not Ohio.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2016, 09:34:09 AM »

That is different from coat-tails crossing state lines.  Show me the evidence that a presidential candidate's performance in Ohio has any bearing on congressional races in New York.  The congressional races in New York could be impacted by the presidential race in New York, but not Ohio.

No, it's not. That popular presidential candidates gain seats for the party nationwide (and unpopular presidential candidates lose seats for the party nationwide) indicates that a candidate's overall performance affects congressional (and mayoral & gubernatorial) races across the whole country.

As Ohio is a key battleground state that gets the attention of all voters, then the presidential race in Ohio can reasonably affect the congressional, mayoral, and / or gubernatorial races in NY, NH, KY, MO, MI, MA, etc.

The main point stands -- Kasich's refusal to help Trump is harmful to the Republicans across the whole nation.
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2016, 09:45:04 AM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-by-the-numbers-donald-trump-down-ballot-republicans-election/

The practice of ticket-splitting, in which a voter votes for one party at the presidential level and the other party in statewide or congressional races, has become exceedingly rare in recent years. In 2012, according to the Washington Post, only 5.7 percent of congressional districts voted for one party in the presidential race and the other party in the House race: a 90-year low.
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2016, 09:57:41 AM »

That is different from coat-tails crossing state lines.  Show me the evidence that a presidential candidate's performance in Ohio has any bearing on congressional races in New York.  The congressional races in New York could be impacted by the presidential race in New York, but not Ohio.

No, it's not. That popular presidential candidates gain seats for the party nationwide (and unpopular presidential candidates lose seats for the party nationwide) indicates that a candidate's overall performance affects congressional (and mayoral & gubernatorial) races across the whole country.

A candidate that does well nationwide is outperforming their party's typical presidential performance in many states.  Their performance from state to state is *correlated* because it's the same candidate.  If he appeals to people in one state he has a good chance of appealing to people in another state.  But there are additional factors aside from the presidential candidate himself, including surrogates campaigning for them within targeted states (like the popular governor of Ohio).  But there's no reason to think that that kind of targeted appeal within a particular state is going to bleed over into other states.  I don't see why *that* contribution to a candidate's vote share would bleed over into other states.
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2016, 10:06:49 AM »

Kasich appears to be more than happy to support and help GOP congressional/local candidates, perhaps in other states as well.  He doesn't have to convince the voters he'll be talking to to decide either way on the presidential ticket.
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2016, 10:23:54 AM »

Looks like someone won't be Postmaster General in a hypothetical Trump administration.
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2016, 10:40:26 AM »

That is different from coat-tails crossing state lines.  Show me the evidence that a presidential candidate's performance in Ohio has any bearing on congressional races in New York.  The congressional races in New York could be impacted by the presidential race in New York, but not Ohio.

No, it's not. That popular presidential candidates gain seats for the party nationwide (and unpopular presidential candidates lose seats for the party nationwide) indicates that a candidate's overall performance affects congressional (and mayoral & gubernatorial) races across the whole country.

As Ohio is a key battleground state that gets the attention of all voters, then the presidential race in Ohio can reasonably affect the congressional, mayoral, and / or gubernatorial races in NY, NH, KY, MO, MI, MA, etc.

The main point stands -- Kasich's refusal to help Trump is harmful to the Republicans across the whole nation.

John Kasich may be looking at 2018 and 2020. He is savvy enough to recognize that Demagogue Don may do more harm to the GOP by winning than by losing. Donald Trump shows all the signs of the sort of President who gets defeated in his reelection bid: a despotic style of management, a tendency to vilify opposition as scapegoats, an inability to fit the ways of a political culture of which he is not a part.

He would be Jimmy Carter without the brilliance, integrity, caution, fundamental decency, freedom from corruption, and such political acumen as Carter had. Basically I have stripped Jimmy Carter of his non-ideological merit.  That makes a thoroughly dreadful President. So the Democrats run someone his ideological antithesis who is also a smooth talker... think of a liberal version of Ronald Reagan. Heck, maybe America could repeal the 22nd Amendment for what will then seem the best President since FDR.  
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2016, 11:21:43 AM »

He ought to realize that he's not just hurting Trump here; he is actually is hurting Republicans across the entire nation because of down-ballot voting. For the sake of the party, he needs to play his role.

How does helping (or not) Trump perform well in Ohio have any bearing on downballot voting in other states?


A)  Because you have a lot of uninformed voters who only go to the polls to vote for President, and then lazily start selecting everyone in that same party down the line.

B)  Because our nation doesn't have a media blackout on releasing poll results until the polls in the last State have closed.
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2016, 12:37:26 PM »

Looks like Johnny's got more spine than Ryan or Marco.
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