Why Don't Many Candidates Announce at Independence Hall?
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« on: July 17, 2016, 11:34:26 AM »
« edited: July 17, 2016, 11:36:52 AM by FreePhoenix »

It seems like the perfect spot. Great symbol in a major city, crowd attractor, perfect position for a podium, etc. It would seem perfect for a Presidential announcement. At least near the place, anyway. I think only Sestak did, and it was very low key.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 05:30:32 PM »

Why would someone who isn't from Philadelphia do this?

An announcement location is about crafting a narrative. Barack Obama announced his 2008 campaign at the Illinois State Capitol because he began his political career there as a state senator and it fit with his overarching message of, "Middle America is working even when Washington isn't."

Hillary's 2016 "kickoff event" (there was no announcement event since she announced via a YouTube video) was at the Four Freedoms Park on NYC's Roosevelt Island. It combines Hillary's adopted hometown and the state she represented in the Senate with an island and a park named after a president who shifted his party to the left and redefined Americans' "conventional" notions of what obligations the government has to people. It was a way to preempt the ascendant left wing of the Democratic Party at a time when, as with FDR, poverty and income inequality were major issues in public conversation.

Unless you can craft a narrative around Independence Hall, there's no compelling reason to use it for an announcement unless your campaign is being run by a fourth grader who skimmed through his social studies textbook.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 05:32:21 PM »

Indy Texas basically covers it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2016, 06:18:57 PM »

Why would someone who isn't from Philadelphia do this?

An announcement location is about crafting a narrative. Barack Obama announced his 2008 campaign at the Illinois State Capitol because he began his political career there as a state senator and it fit with his overarching message of, "Middle America is working even when Washington isn't."

Hillary's 2016 "kickoff event" (there was no announcement event since she announced via a YouTube video) was at the Four Freedoms Park on NYC's Roosevelt Island. It combines Hillary's adopted hometown and the state she represented in the Senate with an island and a park named after a president who shifted his party to the left and redefined Americans' "conventional" notions of what obligations the government has to people. It was a way to preempt the ascendant left wing of the Democratic Party at a time when, as with FDR, poverty and income inequality were major issues in public conversation.

Unless you can craft a narrative around Independence Hall, there's no compelling reason to use it for an announcement unless your campaign is being run by a fourth grader who skimmed through his social studies textbook.

In that case, why didn't Ted Cruz announce at IH? He was all "Constitution" this and "Declaraton" that and "Founding Ideals" that. While I agree with the sentiments, it is still odd he didn't announce there with this logic.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2016, 06:28:07 PM »

In that case, why didn't Ted Cruz announce at IH? He was all "Constitution" this and "Declaraton" that and "Founding Ideals" that. While I agree with the sentiments, it is still odd he didn't announce there with this logic.
He announced at Liberty... I can't think of a better place for Cruz to announce.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2016, 06:36:52 PM »

Why would someone who isn't from Philadelphia do this?

An announcement location is about crafting a narrative. Barack Obama announced his 2008 campaign at the Illinois State Capitol because he began his political career there as a state senator and it fit with his overarching message of, "Middle America is working even when Washington isn't."

Hillary's 2016 "kickoff event" (there was no announcement event since she announced via a YouTube video) was at the Four Freedoms Park on NYC's Roosevelt Island. It combines Hillary's adopted hometown and the state she represented in the Senate with an island and a park named after a president who shifted his party to the left and redefined Americans' "conventional" notions of what obligations the government has to people. It was a way to preempt the ascendant left wing of the Democratic Party at a time when, as with FDR, poverty and income inequality were major issues in public conversation.

Unless you can craft a narrative around Independence Hall, there's no compelling reason to use it for an announcement unless your campaign is being run by a fourth grader who skimmed through his social studies textbook.

In that case, why didn't Ted Cruz announce at IH? He was all "Constitution" this and "Declaraton" that and "Founding Ideals" that. While I agree with the sentiments, it is still odd he didn't announce there with this logic.

The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are two different things...

And you don't have to be physically present at some building/city where one of those things originated to show you want to "defend the Constitution" or whatever. I mean, that is such a generic premise for a campaign narrative. Is there anyone running for president who doesn't care about/like the Constitution?

Per Wikipedia, Cruz announced at Liberty University. That basically fits in with his original intention of being the "Faith, Family, Freedom" candidate who was going to win all the Southern states on Super Tuesday and be propelled to the nomination.

That didn't work out. Instead, he ended up being the candidate of the Great Plains and Upper Midwest whose campaign made no sense unless he was running in 1936 as an opponent of the New Deal.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 06:56:00 PM »

Thanks for the fab idea! You'll be getting a top spot as my campaign advisory staff for that
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 08:58:39 AM »

Logistics are also in play. You can't have a massive rally or speech in/around a small space that attracts tourists.
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2016, 09:04:15 AM »

Logistics are also in play. You can't have a massive rally or speech in/around a small space that attracts tourists.

Also why politicians like Reagan, Pete Wilson and Huntsman have announced with the Statue of Liberty in the background, not literally on the island where the statue is.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 08:32:26 AM »

I'm not sure more candidates need to announce there.  But as a former resident of Philly, I wish the founding documents were kept there rather than being buried in apocalyptical vaults in DC.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 12:12:00 AM »

I'm not sure more candidates need to announce there.  But as a former resident of Philly, I wish the founding documents were kept there rather than being buried in apocalyptical vaults in DC.
I don't know, the security and the upkeep required to keep them in good condition would require the gutting of the building. The Archives are secure and relatively accessible.

I think a good place for a future presidential announcement from a Floridian would be our old capitol building. In fact, maybe if I get to be Governor Putnam's 2028 campaign manager I'll arrange for that Tongue.

The backside of the building has wider steps and a sort of plateau in the middle where a podium can fit, and there is enough room between the new capitol and the old capitol to cram in a few hundred people and a media stand for the cameras to broadcast the announcement. It's also overshadowed by the new 22 story capitol so the heat doesn't become an issue, the sun doesn't cause any glares, and the small space makes it easier to exaggerate the crowds size if the event is filmed right.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 10:14:56 AM »

I'm not sure more candidates need to announce there.  But as a former resident of Philly, I wish the founding documents were kept there rather than being buried in apocalyptical vaults in DC.
Shouldn't the Bill of Rights, including the 27th Amendment be kept in New York City?

And any new amendments should probably be kept in the new capital.

What about the still-pending amendments?

And any proposed amendments. If they were displayed in Philadelphia or Washington there might be simple tote board of ratifications. Surely it would be better to have a gigantic display on the side of the Constitution Casino in Las Vegas?

If a state legislature were considering ratification, it could be displayed on a map as sort of like a pulsating heart. And there could be a sort of bar chart reaching up to the 38th floor keeping track of the ratification, with LED lights screaming up to the current level. Giant holographic images of the founding fathers, imagine George Washington doing Viva Las Vegas.
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