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Question: Should the baker be forced to sell the cake?
#1
Yes, but only because it's not for a wedding
 
#2
Yes, even if it were for a wedding and not a birthday
 
#3
No, she should not have to sell them the cake
 
#4
Other/Moderate hero option
 
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Total Voters: 74

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« on: July 20, 2016, 01:33:10 AM »

If the baker already agreed to do it, and then changed her mind because she found out the person was gay, that would fall under breach of contract wouldn't it?

I don't think there's much if any of a religious liberty case for this like there is for a same sex wedding.  But I still can't relate to the concept that someone would be in desperate need of a birthday cake from a store to the extent that you could force someone to bake it for you, absent some agreement they had made to do it.  It's a stretch to consider this type of service a public accomodation, which originally applied to things like hotels and meals that someone would need either for survival or for travel.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 02:42:58 PM »

Is this the only place to buy a cake?  And they don't like gay people?  Seems like a perfect business opportunity for someone that isn't a bigot.

If there are only a few gay people in town, it doesn't sound like a "perfect business opportunity" unless you want to charge extortionate prices of gay customers banned from the other bakery. This baker can successfully discriminate without suffering much in the way of consequences.

Except for retaliation by activists.
Their yelp page is now a bunch of unbelievably awful supposed reviews by people who live hundreds of miles away.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/take-the-cake-bakery-and-cake-design-shop-toledo
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shua
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 12:28:02 AM »

Is this the only place to buy a cake?  And they don't like gay people?  Seems like a perfect business opportunity for someone that isn't a bigot.

If there are only a few gay people in town, it doesn't sound like a "perfect business opportunity" unless you want to charge extortionate prices of gay customers banned from the other bakery. This baker can successfully discriminate without suffering much in the way of consequences.

Except for retaliation by activists.
Their yelp page is now a bunch of unbelievably awful supposed reviews by people who live hundreds of miles away.

Hmm, if any of those reviews are inauthentic the owner can work with Yelp to have them removed. I know some people think that freedom to discriminate should mean freedom to discriminate without any negative consequences; fortunately this is a pretty minor inconvenience compared to what the baker was dishing out, we can agree.

If I were a business owner I think having a one-star Yelp rating and losing business because people are spreading rumors that your cakes are moldly might qualify as at least as big an inconvenience.   But at least I haven't heard anything about them receiving arson threats like in the Pizza Memories case. 
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