Republican National Convention **live commentary thread**

[Gass3268]

No one watching Fox saw that last part, because Trump called in.

[Devout Centrist]

If people like me leave the party, that just gives them even more power.

Bingo.

The party has already left you, friend. What we are seeing this week is the Republican Party. Its biggest factions are now Trumpites and Cruzians—if you're okay with that reality, stay. But moderates aren't going anywhere among the GOP's ranks. Not anymore.

Then where do you suggest we go?

Libertarians? Or form a new party and nominate a popular centrist?

So here's what you guys are saying. The GOP has so forsaken moderates that it would be a better strategy to join the Libertarians (lol) or start a new party (bigger lol) to get moderate-conservative legislation passed. Yeah that's absolute bs, and that's why people like Brown Line will stay in the grand old party.

Where will you draw the line though? You can only move away from your preferred policies so far.

[Seriously?]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/

Oh please. This was first-party testimony of what Hillary! told Mrs. Smith. Politifact claiming it's inconclusive is ridiculous. Her story was corroborated by another family. Give me a break.

[JerryArkansas]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This is really intensely and shamelessly exploitative.

[Wells]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

[Higgs]

If people like me leave the party, that just gives them even more power.

Bingo.

The party has already left you, friend. What we are seeing this week is the Republican Party. Its biggest factions are now Trumpites and Cruzians—if you're okay with that reality, stay. But moderates aren't going anywhere among the GOP's ranks. Not anymore.

Then where do you suggest we go?

Libertarians? Or form a new party and nominate a popular centrist?

So here's what you guys are saying. The GOP has so forsaken moderates that it would be a better strategy to join the Libertarians (lol) or start a new party (bigger lol) to get moderate-conservative legislation passed. Yeah that's absolute bs, and that's why people like Brown Line will stay in the grand old party.

Where will you draw the line though? You can only move away from your preferred policies so far.

Trust me, the line where becoming a Libertarian over a Republican in order to best get moderate-conservative legislation passed won't be crossed in my lifetime.

[Seriously?]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

Fed to her? Hillary! told her this... Not hearsay. A direct quote. She wanted answers, Hillary! lied and stonewalled.

[windjammer]

I have no sympathy for her.

[Seriously?]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

Gee, is it possible, just possible that these were private conversations between the Smith family and Hillary?

[Mike Thick]

This is way too light-hearted for a speech about an intense battle during a terrorist attack

[Boston Bread]

This entire day has been such a turnoff for any reasonably educated and decent Republican.  Can they try any harder to appeal to the uneducated, xenophobic southern hicks?!  Seriously why the heck is some duck dynasty bum on stage?  He needs to take a shower.

Here's a solution if you want to stop being embarrassed (justifiably so):

If people like me leave the party, that just gives them even more power.

The party has already left you, friend. What we are seeing this week is the Republican Party. Its biggest factions are now Trumpites and Cruzians—if you're okay with that reality, stay. But moderates aren't going anywhere among the GOP's ranks. Not anymore.

The Democrats have issues with moderates too...white centrists like Joe Manchin are being marginalized.

By the current standards of the party, Hillary Clinton is a white moderate.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

This is way too light-hearted for a speech about an intense battle during a terrorist attack

Yeah, this entire segment is very strange.

[JerryArkansas]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

Fed to her? Hillary! told her this... Not hearsay. A direct quote. She wanted answers, Hillary! lied and stonewalled.

No she didn't.  I love how you keep going on that lie that she keeps telling.  So very fun and stupid of you. 

[Seriously?]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

Fed to her? Hillary! told her this... Not hearsay. A direct quote. She wanted answers, Hillary! lied and stonewalled.

No she didn't.  I love how you keep going on that lie that she keeps telling.  So very fun and stupid of you. 

And what's your basis for knowing better than someone who was actually in the conversation?

[Wells]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

Gee, is it possible, just possible that these were private conversations between the Smith family and Hillary?

Kate Quigley, Jan Stevens, and Barabara Doherty never heard a video mentioned. What Doherty did remember was that Clinton was "sincere and crying." Why would Clinton only tell Smith that a video was the cause?

[The Other Castro]

"Joni Ernst loves Chachi" sigh *drinks*.

[Classic Conservative]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

Fed to her? Hillary! told her this... Not hearsay. A direct quote. She wanted answers, Hillary! lied and stonewalled.

No she didn't.  I love how you keep going on that lie that she keeps telling.  So very fun and stupid of you.  

And what's your basis for knowing better than someone who was actually in the conversation?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QSooz2wXpes What's this video then? People Died and Hillary Lied!

[JerryArkansas]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

The woman who wants answers as to why her son died.  When in grief, one wants to believe any lie that is feed to them, just like her when it comes to republicans.

Fed to her? Hillary! told her this... Not hearsay. A direct quote. She wanted answers, Hillary! lied and stonewalled.

No she didn't.  I love how you keep going on that lie that she keeps telling.  So very fun and stupid of you. 

And what's your basis for knowing better than someone who was actually in the conversation?

Someone who has been a prop for the far right for the past 4 years.  She's even less credible than you on the subject.  And as others have said, she is the only one saying this, no other family.

Really, it is a shameful thing that this woman who is clearly not coping with the death of her son, and is being used by a political party for partisan gain. 

[Gass3268]

This is really intensely and shamelessly exploitative.

Pretty much this.

[Seriously?]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

Gee, is it possible, just possible that these were private conversations between the Smith family and Hillary?

Kate Quigley, Jan Stevens, and Barabara Doherty never heard a video mentioned. What Doherty did remember was that Clinton was "sincere and crying." Why would Clinton only tell Smith that a video was the cause?

She didn't JUST tell Mrs. Smith.

From your own sourcing:

Charles Woods, father of CIA operative Tyrone Woods, told talk show host Glenn Beck on Oct. 25, 2012, that Clinton said to him, "We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted."

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Shades of Kito Makiko and Mrs. Tsubakihara from The Temple of Dawn.

[Wells]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

Gee, is it possible, just possible that these were private conversations between the Smith family and Hillary?

Kate Quigley, Jan Stevens, and Barabara Doherty never heard a video mentioned. What Doherty did remember was that Clinton was "sincere and crying." Why would Clinton only tell Smith that a video was the cause?

She didn't JUST tell Mrs. Smith.

From your own sourcing:

Charles Woods, father of CIA operative Tyrone Woods, told talk show host Glenn Beck on Oct. 25, 2012, that Clinton said to him, "We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted."

Yet this conflicts with the other four people mentioned above. The two people who do say they remember a video being mentioned have either appeared on conservative radio or conservative television to say something bad about a liberal, even though what they're saying doesn't line up with what everybody else said.

[Averroës Nix]

Live footage:

[Seriously?]

This woman is crazy.

She lost her child.

So she has a good explanation for being crazy. Doesn't change the facts.

Facts? Were you in the room when Hillary! told her what she did? Seems like you are calling Mrs. Smith a liar.

Good job, you figured it out. She's a liar.

Doubtful. Mrs. Smith lost her son.

Hillary! and Obama had the election at stake.

Who has more motive to lie here?

How do you explain the other people in the room who say Hillary didn't say what Pat said she did? Cherryl Bennet, mother of Tyrone Woods, said that no video was mentioned.

Gee, is it possible, just possible that these were private conversations between the Smith family and Hillary?

Kate Quigley, Jan Stevens, and Barabara Doherty never heard a video mentioned. What Doherty did remember was that Clinton was "sincere and crying." Why would Clinton only tell Smith that a video was the cause?

She didn't JUST tell Mrs. Smith.

From your own sourcing:

Charles Woods, father of CIA operative Tyrone Woods, told talk show host Glenn Beck on Oct. 25, 2012, that Clinton said to him, "We will make sure that the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted."

Yet this conflicts with the other four people mentioned above. The two people who do say they remember a video being mentioned have either appeared on conservative radio or conservative television to say something bad about a liberal, even though what they're saying doesn't line up with what everybody else said.

You do get the concept of a PRIVATE conversation between one family and Hillary! and remarks to the entire group, right?