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« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2016, 12:30:46 AM »

Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.
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« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2016, 12:31:42 AM »

Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.

Give it a rest, how delusional can you be?
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« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2016, 12:32:22 AM »

Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.

uh, the videos and transcripts of both speeches are publicly available. you can compare them yourself. what are you talking about??
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« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2016, 12:35:33 AM »

Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.

Give it a rest, how delusional can you be?
Your red roots are showing, blue avatar.

The core audience of MSNBC are Republicans, right? There's definitely no slanted coverage on that network. The New York Times, too, right?

Give me a break. This nonsense will be out of the news cycle as quickly as it came into it.

Again, I challenge any of you to admit that this "I am American, I was taught to work hard, etc." meme hasn't been used by someone other than Michelle Obama or Melania Trump. I've yet to hear any single one of you state otherwise.

It's almost like your stock, political 101 graphs when talking about American values.
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« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2016, 12:37:12 AM »

Lols Vox. Might as well be coming directly from the DNC.

Do you refute the content of the article?
Of course I do. For starters, it's not even close to word-for-word.

The concepts themselves? They are hardly novel in a political speech. I am sure, if you did enough research, you can see that Michelle "plagiarized" those two graphs from some other politician or politician's wife.

I challenge you to tell me that you've never heard those words come out of a politician's mouth other than Michelle Obama or Melania Trump before. Give me a break. This is beyond a joke.

It's good to see all you eager Democrats and "Republicans" on here on the attack though. Your friends at Vox are imploring you to do so....

The concepts might not be novel, but she strung seven of them in a row all together in the exact same order.  It's so obvious.
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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2016, 12:37:19 AM »

Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.

uh, the videos and transcripts of both speeches are publicly available. you can compare them yourself. what are you talking about??
Your red roots are showing, Lief.

I did compare them. I don't consider them to be anything other than your stock political "Americans work hard" fare that you hear in speech after speech.

I challenge you to tell me that anyone other than Melania Trump or Michelle Obama has never uttered similar words before. You can't.
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« Reply #56 on: July 19, 2016, 12:39:05 AM »

Seriously? and all other Crooked Melania apologists, just watch this:

https://twitter.com/mikehearn/status/755260215021432832

No way around it, straight up copying.
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« Reply #57 on: July 19, 2016, 12:40:03 AM »

Lol, the mental gymnastics an otherwise well-read or educated person has to jump through to support Trump's antics would be amusing if they weren't indicative of a scary trend towards anti-intellectualism.
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« Reply #58 on: July 19, 2016, 12:41:04 AM »

Seriously?, I understand that the themes are similar, but what do you think the chances are that such similar phrasing and construction would be used in both in multiple instances?  That's like 1-in-1 million territory, and that's being generous.
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« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2016, 12:41:25 AM »

Seriously, just take the L. This is plagiarism, whether a staffer or a speech writer or Melania herself is at fault, it's still plagiarism.
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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2016, 12:42:48 AM »

Seriously? and all other Crooked Melania apologists, just watch this:

https://twitter.com/mikehearn/status/755260215021432832

No way around it, straight up copying.

Jesus! Don't know what to say except it seems that Trump and his wife are two peas in the same pod.

Seems rather strange that they didn't think anyone would notice her parroting the same words as Michelle?
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« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2016, 12:44:58 AM »

This does make Tiffany Trump's upcoming speech potentially much more interesting.  Will she free the slaves?  Perhaps share a dream with us?
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« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2016, 12:45:52 AM »

Lol, the mental gymnastics an otherwise well-read or educated person has to jump through to support Trump's antics would be amusing if they weren't indicative of a scary trend towards anti-intellectualism.

This has been an alarming aspect of Trump's campaign from the start, for me.
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« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2016, 12:46:48 AM »
« Edited: July 19, 2016, 12:48:52 AM by Seriously? »

Seriously?, I understand that the themes are similar, but what do you think the chances are that such similar phrasing and construction would be used in both in multiple instances?  That's like 1-in-1 million territory, and that's being generous.
This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again roughly in the exact same way. This horse can only be beaten so many ways.
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« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2016, 12:48:33 AM »

Seriously?, I understand that the themes are similar, but what do you think the chances are that such similar phrasing and construction would be used in both in multiple instances?  That's like 1-in-1 million territory, and that's being generous.
This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.

Seriously? Stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Seriously. It is what it is.
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« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2016, 12:49:11 AM »

Saying "the concepts and ideas are common so how can you say she plagiarised it" is like saying "respect for the dead, bravery in war, and humility before god are common themes so how can you say she plagiarized the Gettysburg Address when she talked about the new nation our forefathers set forth on this continent?  Liberal hack, the number of scores ago wasn't even the same"

It's blatantly, obviously plagiarized and right now the top story on CNN is "PLAGIARISM IN MELANIA TRUMP SPEECH". This is probably going to drown out the Giuliani speech, clearly the highlight of the night.  It's also probably going to drown out the #NeverTrump shenanigans and the Benghazi lady whose hatred for Hillary seemed both personal and completely-over-the-top, so I guess that's good for the GOP at least.

This is also most people's first and only impression of Melania.  Heck, the only two times I've ever seen her before are in that Trump family town hall on CNN and that one time she introduced him at a rally.  I thought the speech was overall pretty decent given her clear discomfort, but unfortunately for her this is going to be what she's remembered for and it will be "Trump's wife, the bimbo who plagiarized Michelle Obama's speech" to the American people unless they can pull of an artful turnaround.

My guess would be that Trump muddles the issue similar to how Seriously? is, by going on some networks and saying "they both used some common ideas, some common phrases, they both wanted to give an inspirational and uplifting message, and I think that's something you shouldn't tear someone down for."

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« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2016, 12:50:10 AM »

Seriously?, I understand that the themes are similar, but what do you think the chances are that such similar phrasing and construction would be used in both in multiple instances?  That's like 1-in-1 million territory, and that's being generous.
This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.

Seriously? Stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Seriously. It is what it is.

He would need a time machine and go back a year.
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« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2016, 12:54:00 AM »

A First Spouse Debate would be interesting to say the least.
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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2016, 12:54:22 AM »

This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.

I agree that the themes are similar, but even simple statements can be said in numerous different forms.  For instance, there are 0 Google hits for  "has pretty much used the same concepts," and only 2 for "pretty much used the same concepts."  There are 0 hits for "we want our kids to have the same values" -- your post will be the first time that simple phrase appears on Google.  Now, what do you really think are the chances those phrases would match nearly word-for-word to Michelle Obama's speech?

I am the first person to shout down dumb, cherry-picking conspiracy theories on the left (and there are MILLIONS), but there is almost zero statistical chance that this is a coincidence.  You've got to drop your defensiveness on this and be objective.
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2016, 12:55:48 AM »

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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2016, 12:58:04 AM »

This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.

I am the first person to shout down dumb, cherry-picking conspiracy theories on the left (and there are MILLIONS), but there is almost zero statistical chance that this is a coincidence.  You've got to drop your defensiveness on this and be objective.

Are you familiar with Seriously's posting history?
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2016, 12:58:16 AM »


Vox, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, MSNBC and Politico. So the left-wing press is on the attack, likely with marching orders from the DNC. I am shocked I tell you, shocked.

You should check your hat. The tin foil might be cutting off oxygen to your brain.

Tin foil, hardly. The reputation of Vox, the New York Times, the LA Times, MSNBC and Politico as left-wing advocates is pretty well established.

uh, the videos and transcripts of both speeches are publicly available. you can compare them yourself. what are you talking about??

Your red roots are showing, Lief.
I did compare them. I don't consider them to be anything other than your stock political "Americans work hard" fare that you hear in speech after speech.
I challenge you to tell me that anyone other than Melania Trump or Michelle Obama has never uttered similar words before. You can't.

Seriously,
You are totally making yourself look so foolish, with every comment you make (in this thread).
Please STOP .... You are so delusional right now, its beyond planet Earth.
95% of everyone who is commenting in this thread is saying it is OBVIOUS plagiarism.
Red avatars, blue avatars, men, women, black, white, tall, short .... Everybody !
Try and maintain some credibility on Atlas ..... otherwise, everyone will read your comments as nothing but dung from here forward.
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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2016, 01:01:44 AM »

"Included fragments that reflected her own thinking" is a pretty soft way of admitting to plagiarism.
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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2016, 01:01:51 AM »

This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.
I agree that the themes are similar, but even simple statements can be said in numerous different forms.  For instance, there are 0 Google hits for  "has pretty much used the same concepts," and only 2 for "pretty much used the same concepts."  There are 0 hits for "we want our kids to have the same values" -- your post will be the first time that simple phrase appears on Google.  Now, what do you really think are the chances those phrases would match nearly word-for-word to Michelle Obama's speech?

I am the first person to shout down dumb, cherry-picking conspiracy theories on the left (and there are MILLIONS), but there is almost zero statistical chance that this is a coincidence.  You've got to drop your defensiveness on this and be objective.
I'll continue to beat this horse over and over again. The concepts are similar. They are stated similarly. Why?  Because these concepts are your typical political stock. I guarantee you that the construct and phrases of Michelle Obama's speech and Melania Trump's speech have been used before nearly word-for-word in other stock paragraphs espousing the same thoughts around the country.

Nothing that neither Melania Trump nor Michelle Obama have said in either speech is not something that politicians or their wives have said over and over and over again in elections throughout this country over time.
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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2016, 01:02:38 AM »

This is your standard political speech when it comes to "we worked hard," blah, blah, blah.

How many possible ways can you say: My parents raised me to work hard. Instilled values in me. You are only as good as your word. Treat people nicely. We want our kids to have the same values, yada yada, yada?

I guarantee you many a politician has pretty much used the same concepts over and over and over again. The horse can only be beaten so many ways.
I agree that the themes are similar, but even simple statements can be said in numerous different forms.  For instance, there are 0 Google hits for  "has pretty much used the same concepts," and only 2 for "pretty much used the same concepts."  There are 0 hits for "we want our kids to have the same values" -- your post will be the first time that simple phrase appears on Google.  Now, what do you really think are the chances those phrases would match nearly word-for-word to Michelle Obama's speech?

I am the first person to shout down dumb, cherry-picking conspiracy theories on the left (and there are MILLIONS), but there is almost zero statistical chance that this is a coincidence.  You've got to drop your defensiveness on this and be objective.
I'll continue to beat this horse over and over again. The concepts are similar. They are stated similarly. Why?  Because these concepts are your typical political stock. I guarantee you that the construct and phrases of Michelle Obama's speech and Melania Trump's speech have been used before nearly word-for-word in other stock paragraphs espousing the same thoughts around the country.

Nothing that neither Melania Trump nor Michelle Obama have said in either speech is not something that politicians or their wives have said over and over and over again in elections throughout this country over time.

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