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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2016, 04:26:21 PM »

This issue used to bother me. Now I'm indifferent.



But really, our SS number is basically already one.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2016, 04:43:10 PM »

We already have national i.d. cards, they are called social security cards.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2016, 04:49:08 PM »

If we're going to be a 21st century bureaucratic monstrosity, why don't we act like one?
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2016, 06:00:42 PM »

"Inconsistent with human freedom"
"Bureaucratic monstrosity"

LMAO, what?
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2016, 10:13:22 PM »

In the form of standardized state ID/driver's licenses?  Sure, why not?

We already have such a requirement, tho it has repeatedly been delayed in full implementation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


If you are going to demand proof identity to vote (which seems like common sense), that identification needs to be free.

Which is already the case here in South Carolina and I believe all other states with such laws.  The dispute is over the impediments some people, especially older minorities, have in getting needed documentation such as birth certificates, not over fees.
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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2016, 12:18:28 AM »
« Edited: July 22, 2016, 12:22:16 AM by shua »

No.  In what possible way is that consistent with human freedom?  You shouldn't need an ID except for a particular purpose like if you want to drive.
I don't understand how it takes away any freedoms.  Especially if it is just your driver's license, standardized across all the states.  Perhaps it doesn't bother me because I've been carrying a Fed Govt ID card since 1994 and I don't recall it ever taking away any of my freedoms.  I could not get behind forcing them on people that don't want them, but I'm not really seeing the issue, especially if you're already "in the system" with a SS number, drive a car, travel, purchase things with plastic, live a modern life.

If you aren't required to have one, what's the point?  The whole idea is so the government can know who you are and easily keep track of you, isn't it? 

The government has enough ammunition to use against people it finds bothersome, I don't see the need to give it any more.
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2016, 01:37:59 AM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary. The clear answer is no. As noted, we already have social security cards and drivers licenses. They do the job.
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2016, 01:57:21 AM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary.

The fact that only half the posters support something that exists in every other developed country is scary? Huh
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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2016, 02:07:33 AM »

I don't understand the paranoia about them, but neither do I understand the purported 'need' for them.  What purpose would national ID cards serve that SS numbers and driver's licenses don't?

If anything, they sound like something Trump would support to keep the browns out.
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2016, 08:09:21 AM »

If you aren't required to have one, what's the point?  The whole idea is so the government can know who you are and easily keep track of you, isn't it? 
I think the whole point is that American's can easily identify themselves as a specific citizen to the various people that might require that information.  In a standardized way.  ID's don't (and can't) be used to "track" you.  At least not in the "Big Brother always knows exactly where you are because of GPS voodoo of some kind" way.
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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2016, 10:38:49 AM »

Yeah
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2016, 11:12:56 AM »

Yes, assuming they're free, universal, and "subservient" to a standard driver's license/passport (i.e. a person with a license/passport would have no need to carry the ID card as the other forms would supersede it).
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2016, 01:45:24 PM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary.

The fact that only half the posters support something that exists in every other developed country is scary? Huh

Can you explain what the point is if we already have social security and driver's licenses?
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« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2016, 01:51:54 PM »

We already have national i.d. cards, they are called social security cards.
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« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2016, 03:31:52 PM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary.

The fact that only half the posters support something that exists in every other developed country is scary? Huh

Can you explain what the point is if we already have social security and driver's licenses?

That's not my point.
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« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2016, 05:36:00 PM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary.

The fact that only half the posters support something that exists in every other developed country is scary? Huh

Can you explain what the point is if we already have social security and driver's licenses?

That's not my point.

Yeah but I was assuming you supported them, and still nobody has defended their yes vote.
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2016, 06:24:45 PM »

In the form of standardized state ID/driver's licenses?  Sure, why not?

We already have such a requirement, tho it has repeatedly been delayed in full implementation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


If you are going to demand proof identity to vote (which seems like common sense), that identification needs to be free.

Which is already the case here in South Carolina and I believe all other states with such laws.  The dispute is over the impediments some people, especially older minorities, have in getting needed documentation such as birth certificates, not over fees.

Maybe I'm missing something here; can't we just have additional tax funds go toward mailing the IDs to people if they can't pick them up...?  I assumed they'd all be mailed anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2016, 06:26:15 PM »

The fact that this is 50/50 even on this (relatively) forum is scary.

The fact that only half the posters support something that exists in every other developed country is scary? Huh

Can you explain what the point is if we already have social security and driver's licenses?

That's not my point.

Yeah but I was assuming you supported them, and still nobody has defended their yes vote.

I literally quoted your post and defended my yes vote.
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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2016, 06:26:27 PM »

In the form of standardized state ID/driver's licenses?  Sure, why not?

We already have such a requirement, tho it has repeatedly been delayed in full implementation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act


If you are going to demand proof identity to vote (which seems like common sense), that identification needs to be free.

Which is already the case here in South Carolina and I believe all other states with such laws.  The dispute is over the impediments some people, especially older minorities, have in getting needed documentation such as birth certificates, not over fees.

Maybe I'm missing something here; can't we just have additional tax funds go toward mailing the IDs to people if they can't pick them up...?  I assumed they'd all be mailed anyway.

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