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« on: July 20, 2016, 09:44:31 AM »

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288471-report-trump-camp-offered-to-make-kasich-most-powerful-vp

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I wonder if Trump has a similar deal with Pence?  e.g. he knows he doesn't actually know what he's doing, so Pence will handle running the country while Trump will do what he does best, sell it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2016, 09:48:00 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2016, 09:52:15 AM by Lincoln Republican »

That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2016, 09:49:37 AM »

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Jesus, this campaign is just glorious. GOAT.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2016, 09:50:52 AM »

LOL, ridiculous. A narcissist like Trump would never do that.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2016, 09:53:11 AM »

LOL, ridiculous. A narcissist like Trump would never do that.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2016, 09:54:12 AM »

Basically a similar version (or even more vp power) than what Ford wanted in '80 or what I think Cheney controlled to an extent in '01-04.

This doesnt shock me, Kasich is a decent person, shame he didnt win the nomination I could have voted for him.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2016, 10:18:19 AM »

Kasich probably saw that such a deal would fall apart. No way Trump would ever follow through on giving up so much power, and if he did, he'd certainly take all the credit. Pretty thankless.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2016, 10:36:03 AM »

I have no doubts that Trump did offer something along those lines to Kasich, just as I am sure that, with Trump's temperament, character and utter pettiness, Kasich would not have been given the actual responsibility, had he accepted (even if it was constitutionally possible).  

Basically, Trump was trying to replicate the CEO-COO relationship in business, on a political level.  He would put forward grand ideas and an operative would carry them out.  In principle, there is nothing wrong with that.  The trouble is that such an arrangement is not only constitutionally dubious, but that Trump is used to having lackeys do the COO job.  And by lackeys, I mean people who are not going to complain about the fact that Trump would change his mind on a coin flip and would enthusiastically support the boss, with any change in strategic or tactical direction.

Pence brings some of that, but is (to use the analogy again) a poor COO, as Trump sees it (and I somewhat agree).  In fact, Christie would have been a very good pick for that very reason - Trump is probably still sore at himself over the whole VP choice.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2016, 10:37:40 AM »

Look, Trump doesn't really want to be President, he just wants to win and prance around, so tricking somebody into doing all the grunt work sounds pretty Trumpian to me.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2016, 10:43:01 AM »

Lol. The attack ads keep writing themselves.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2016, 10:50:44 AM »

I don't understand why many of you consider such an arrangement "Constitutionally dubious".

The Constitution says that the President is entitled to his own aides and advisers, and in many administrations high-level advisers may actually have more power than the President himself in certain areas of federal policy.

President's typically pick only 2-3 grand, overreaching priorities per administration.  '01-'04 Dubya had tax cuts and NCLB.  His second term's were unsuccessful attempts and Social Security and immigration reform.  Obama in his first term focused on the stimulus, health care reform and Dodd-Frank.  Because of an unresponsive Congress, his second term's priorities have tended to center around realigning Cuba and Iran.

President's generally, outside of these main areas where they devote most of their personal time/energy, leave the rest of government to advisers.  

And I'm glad as hell it does work that way.  Someone like Barack Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois when he became President, has no business trying to micromanage the Bureau of Land Management's Office of Damage Assessment and Reclamation, for example, or the USDA's Natural Resources Conservation Service.  He should turn that over to advisers with actual knowledge and experience in those areas, and the President should stick to using the bully pulpit to build support for his grand initiatives.

The President is his men.  

Making the Vice President a central and key adviser to the President on federal policy is no more Constitutionally dubious then the current role of White House Chief of Staff.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 11:00:48 AM »

That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?

Nearly every one of Trump's ideas are unconstitutional, so what does it matter?
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2016, 11:06:20 AM »

Agree with Del Tachl, it's not unconstitutional at all.  Every president since Clinton has delegated substantial responsibility to his VP.  So stop with the "lol Trump doesn't even know the constitution" stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2016, 11:17:41 AM »

"Constitutionally dubious" refers to the fact that the President is the head of government.  The VP is not supposed to be an active daily participant, but a replacement ready to be deployed, in case of emergency.  This is pretty clear.  Obviously, there is nothing to stop President Trump (or President Clinton) assigning tasks or responsibilities to their VP.  But the buck still stops with the President.  Unlike with say a Department Secretary, the President cannot say that a decision (in his purview) was made by his VP and assign blame there.  In fact, that kind of statement, over a major foul up, could be theoretically grounds for impeachment.

Having said all that, the arrangement can practically be done, as Bush and Cheney proved.  But it's far from a constitutional breeze.  And the bigger problem remains in the fact that Trump needs a lackey, not an independently-thinking VP.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2016, 11:42:02 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2016, 04:31:13 PM by Lincoln Republican »

I would like hear the views of True Federalist on the constitutionality of this supposed offer by Trump to Kasich.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2016, 11:42:58 AM »

Seems ludicrous but you never know with trump
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2016, 11:43:08 AM »

That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?

During the 1980 GOP convention some of Reagan's came up with an idea of having Ford be Reagan's running mate.  The Ford camp seem to be willing to come abroad if Ford is made basically a co-president with Reagan in an event of an election victory.  After some talks between the two camps the idea broke down and Reagan picked Bush the Elder.

So this idea, while it seems impossible for Trump to come up with, is not completely absurd.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2016, 11:46:57 AM »

I don't believe there's anything unconstitutional about it.  It's stupid for sure, but every President delegates a lot of decisions to their cabinet.  And the VP is a cabinet member with actual responsibilities (i.e. President of the Senate). 

One reason I can't wait for Trump to lose is that stories like this will start popping up everywhere.  It'll be fun to hear virtually every Republican trying to distance themselves by giving examples of just how bad of a candidate he really is.
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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2016, 11:57:08 AM »

So Trump wants to be the male version of Miss America?

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2016, 12:02:32 PM »

Because if there is anything this country needs, it's a Cheney on steroids.
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2016, 12:10:29 PM »

That report is absolutely ridiculous, besides being a joke.

For one thing, it is unconstitutional.

Surely even Trump and his campaign have a better understanding of the constitution than that.

And since when would Trump ever give up any power or control over anything?

During the 1980 GOP convention some of Reagan's came up with an idea of having Ford be Reagan's running mate.  The Ford camp seem to be willing to come abroad if Ford is made basically a co-president with Reagan in an event of an election victory.  After some talks between the two camps the idea broke down and Reagan picked Bush the Elder.

So this idea, while it seems impossible for Trump to come up with, is not completely absurd.

Yes I know.  But there is no such thing as a co-presidency in the U.S. and would be unconstitutional.  That's why the talks between Reagan and Ford broke down. 

And Ford got greedy.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 12:13:37 PM »
« Edited: July 20, 2016, 12:47:38 PM by Likely Voter »

The notion that Kasich was Trump's first choice very early on has already been reported. This idea of having him do much of the work also fits into Trumps M.O. Most of the projects that are called "Trump" are really just run by other people where Trump licenses his name and he does promotion.  That being said, Trump would want to maintain the illusion he is calling all the shots so all of this stuff would be behind the scenes. He would be seen as the frontman.

BTW, this is also one of the reasons why Paul Ryan is sticking with Trump with his weekly "he is a racist and I'm all for him" press briefings. Trump has no policy shop really but Ryan has file cabinets full of policies ready to go. They too have a sort of arrangement where in the first 100 days Trump will basically get behind all of it and it will make Trump look like he is getting stuff done quickly, and Ryan gets his dream of reshaping America in his conservative image.

Apparently Kasich didn't want to make the same deal with the devil.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 12:24:04 PM »

I don't understand what y'all are expecting. This seems like the dream team with a big picture icon saying all the right things and a nice man managing behind the scenes to pull it off. What could have been - the perfect arrangement Sad
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 01:55:55 PM »

Of course Don Sr. now denies Kasich was ever offered and somebody within the campaign said Kasich's vetting read like a trashy novel.

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2016, 02:03:27 PM »

Sure,  Big Don just wants to waste a lot of time and money. Johnny would have been a terrific running mate, but he chose another path. Sad!
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