Second Round of the Presidential Forever Championships

[Lt. Gov. Immy]

I have a felling I'm gonig to be the Deomcrat eliminated from me group.  We're all tied and I'm facing the toughest Republican in the round without the Democratic advantages.  We'll see though...

[Erc]

Group C:

supersoulty v. Ilikeverin

The only undefeated Republican v. an undefeated Democrat...

Supersoulty, who has just been a machine in this tournament, continues along his merry way, beginning with an 11-point (!) lead over Ilikeverin.  This had narrowed to six by November, but Ilikeverin's fate was sealed from the beginning.

Chris Soult (R-PA):  66,720,375, 53%, 366 EV
Chris Ilikeverin (D-IN): 57,272,483, 45%, 172 EV



EXHIBITION GAME:

(accidentally played the wrong two people against each other, but this game deserves mentioning anyway)

Cheesewhiz [13] v. Sam Spade [3]

Ard started off with a good lead (3 points)...and maintained a small lead throughout the campaign.  Come election day, things were still up in the air...Ard was ahead by two, but Nevada, Louisiana, Minnesota, and Ohio were still up for grabs...

Anderson won his home state of Louisiana, and the state of Mondale proved faithful...which was all Anderson needed.  Lost the popular vote, and had the smallest electoral mandate since Hayes...but Anderson won the election.

Mark Ard (R-WI): 63,000,401, 50%, 268 EV
John Anderson (D-LA): 60,847,055, 270 EV



Game 2:

Cheesewhiz [13] v. Max Power [13]

Ard started off with a five-point lead over Ronald McDonald...which evaporated by a week before the election, as Ard got stuck with a major scandal which just wouldn't go away...by election day, he was down four points in the polls.  However, there were still a lot of undecided voters out there, so the race wasn't quite over yet (despite the -295 Mo).

Max Power (D-PA): 64,785,808, 52%, 276 EV
Mark Ard (R-WI): 59,021,901, 47%, 262 EV



Game 3:

Colin Wixted [8] v. Sam Spade [3]

At the beginning of the campaign, Wixted had a mighty six-point lead.  This had narrowed to one point by the day of the election...but Wixted still had a considerable electoral advantage.  In order to win, Anderson needed to keep his own states, take Maryland, Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin, and pick off at least one of the marginal Wixted states.  A tough objective...but possible.

The night began well for Anderson, winning Indiana by nearly seven points.  The night turned sour around 8:30, as Anderson received news of close losses in Ohio and West Virginia (which he should not have lost).  Wixted's victory in Maryland at 9:00 sealed Anderson's fate...despite subsequent surprise victories in New Jersey and Tennessee, Wixted's EV count was now all but unsurmountable.

Colin Wixted (R-AK):  62,760,536, 50%, 298 EV
John Anderson (D-LA): 61,277,956, 49%, 240 EV

[Gabu]

Game 2:
Jake [14] v. Gabu [2]

Longley started off with a three point lead (and the control of Texas), but Nichols rallied quickly, closing the gap to one point.  As Nichols won the last debate and Longley got hit with a minor scandal, Nichols actually took the lead in the last week and forced Longley to spend precious time keeping California in his column, where Nichols had somehow garnered a three-point lead.

Longley did, indeed win California (by .4%), but the time he spent there certainly cost him Arizona (where he lost by 8000 votes) and Tennessee (loss by 5700 votes).

Jake Nichols (R-PA): 50%, 62,694,382, 273 EV
Lucas Longley (D-WA): 48%, 60,512,982, 265 EV



Well, that was a shock.  Congratulations to Jake on what can only be described as a very lucky victory.

I gotta ask: what is it with Louisiana?

[Erc]

I have a felling I'm gonig to be the Deomcrat eliminated from me group.  We're all tied and I'm facing the toughest Republican in the round without the Democratic advantages.  We'll see though...

This is why the first round is six games...makes it a bit longer (hopefully not NBA-playoff level), but it gives me more of a chance to work out the kinks without penalizing certain players too much.

[Sam Spade]

Rats.  I wish I would have had the exhibition result. 

[Max Power]

Game 2:
Jake [14] v. Gabu [2]

Longley started off with a three point lead (and the control of Texas), but Nichols rallied quickly, closing the gap to one point.  As Nichols won the last debate and Longley got hit with a minor scandal, Nichols actually took the lead in the last week and forced Longley to spend precious time keeping California in his column, where Nichols had somehow garnered a three-point lead.

Longley did, indeed win California (by .4%), but the time he spent there certainly cost him Arizona (where he lost by 8000 votes) and Tennessee (loss by 5700 votes).

Jake Nichols (R-PA): 50%, 62,694,382, 273 EV
Lucas Longley (D-WA): 48%, 60,512,982, 265 EV



Well, that was a shock.  Congratulations to Jake on what can only be described as a very lucky victory.

I gotta ask: what is it with Louisiana?

One, big, leadership convention.

[Max Power]

Game 2:

Cheesewhiz [13] v. Max Power [13]

Ard started off with a five-point lead over Ronald McDonald...which evaporated by a week before the election, as Ard got stuck with a major scandal which just wouldn't go away...by election day, he was down four points in the polls.  However, there were still a lot of undecided voters out there, so the race wasn't quite over yet (despite the -295 Mo).

Max Power (D-PA): 64,785,808, 52%, 276 EV
Mark Ard (R-WI): 59,021,901, 47%, 262 EV

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
Hey, Ronald McDonald is my running mate, not me!!!

[Erc]

Halfway through the second round for the first three groups...

Here are the standings.

Group A:
Republicans:
Wildcard [1] : 2-1
Keystone Phil [6]: 1-2
Dubya [15]: 0-2-1

Democrats:
Ben Myers [15]:  2-1, 812 EV
hughento [1]: 2-1, 809 EV
Cosmo Kramer [10]: 1-1-1


Group B:
Republicans:
Jake [14]: 1-2, 783 EV
PBrunsel [2]: 1-2, 781 EV
Bono [7]: 1-2, 751 EV

Democrats:
Akno21 [9]: 3-0
Gabu [2]: 2-1
Ebowed [14]: 1-2


Group C:
Republicans:
supersoulty [3]: 3-0
Colin Wixted [8]: 1-2
Cheesewhiz [13]: 0-3

Democrats:
Max Power [13]: 2-1, 727 EV
Ilikeverin [8]: 2-1, 725 EV
Sam Spade [3]: 1-2


Yes, that's right, the centenarian is winning for the Democrats in Group C...

And I'm off to check supersoulty for steroids...

[Platypus]

I think this might be working out better. Maybe.

Game 1:

Wildcard [1] v. Hughento [1]

Battle of the Titans.

Hard-fought battle, but Lane had the advantage all the way through--California gave him a large advantage, forcing Bartlett to spend money in what should have been a solid Democratic state.

Final Results:

Hugh Bartlett (D-OR): 49%, 61,918,022, 264 EV
Michael R. Lane (R-CA): 49%, 61,025,755, 274 EV



A lot of really close states in the Midwest...Missouri, Indiana...

LOL Glad I won one, though I am surprised that I got sweeped in the coastal wes and western boarder states! Some how I essentially ran away with the steal belt tahnk goodness the race wasn't about free trade

Good race Hugh.

Actually, I think i'm pretty much in agreement with you on free trade-the steel belt seems to hate me. Congrats on your win.

*mutters something about Missouri not being steel belt, dammit*

[Platypus]

BTW, I win Louisiana with a MASSIVE gay turnout in New Orleans, I suppose...I have no idea how that could positively affect the LA result and not screw me over in WV though

[Gustaf]

Yay, I finally won Minnesota! West Virginia I consider a good win for someone who's Right on Free trade, Centre-left on gay marriage and centrist on abortion and gun control. AND centre-left on environment.

[TheWildCard]

A interesting note only Soult and Goldwater have been able to unite the Solid South.

[ilikeverin]

Group C:

supersoulty v. Ilikeverin

The only undefeated Republican v. an undefeated Democrat...

Supersoulty, who has just been a machine in this tournament, continues along his merry way, beginning with an 11-point (!) lead over Ilikeverin.  This had narrowed to six by November, but Ilikeverin's fate was sealed from the beginning.

Chris Soult (R-PA):  66,720,375, 53%, 366 EV
Chris Ilikeverin (R-IN): 57,272,483, 45%, 172 EV

Yet I still won Arizona and California with >60%

(BTW, I'm not R-IN, thank you very much )

[Colin]

Game 3:

Colin Wixted [8] v. Sam Spade [3]

At the beginning of the campaign, Wixted had a mighty six-point lead.  This had narrowed to one point by the day of the election...but Wixted still had a considerable electoral advantage.  In order to win, Anderson needed to keep his own states, take Maryland, Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin, and pick off at least one of the marginal Wixted states.  A tough objective...but possible.

The night began well for Anderson, winning Indiana by nearly seven points.  The night turned sour around 8:30, as Anderson received news of close losses in Ohio and West Virginia (which he should not have lost).  Wixted's victory in Maryland at 9:00 sealed Anderson's fate...despite subsequent surprise victories in New Jersey and Tennessee, Wixted's EV count was now all but unsurmountable.

Colin Wixted (R-AK):  62,760,536, 50%, 298 EV
John Anderson (D-LA): 61,277,956, 49%, 240 EV

WHOO HOOO!!! Finally won a game. I can't believe I won against Sam. Maybe it was just good luck. And also thank you Bob Ehrlich for the 10 EVs.

[Erc]

Yet I still won Arizona and California with >60%

(BTW, I'm not R-IN, thank you very much )

Oklahoma appreciates your conversion to Soonerism.


Group D:

Ernest [4] v. Immy [12]

Bunbury started off with a five point lead over Everett.  By election day (as always), this had narrowed to one...but Everett was in a much more comfortable position electorally, and only needed Illinois to win.

Ernest Bunbury (R-SC): 50%, 62,817,002, 268 EV
Eric Everett (D-ID): 49%, 61,172,240, 270 EV



Congratulations to Immy on a very sneaky win (despite your expectations to the contrary), and my condolences on only winning 29.4% of the vote in your home state.


Game 2:

AndrewBerger [9] v. nini2287 [7]

Holler started with a one-point advantage in this race, which soon became a dead heat.  Although neither side could gain a real advantage, the momentum soon started swinging to Berger, who won the first debate and got the Big Mo'.  It was still tied going into the last two days, as Holler had regained some ground despite losing all three debates.  Holler had the slight electoral advantage, but it was still anyone's election.

Andrew Berger (R-NY): 50%, 62,397,290, 262 EV
Nicholas Holler (D-PA): 49%, 61,521,333, 276 EV



Republican PV wins, Democrat EV wins appears to be the trend today.

Berger's loss in TN (by two points) was critical here.


Game 3:

josh22 [9] v. Alcon [4]

Craddock began the race with a whopping five-point lead (and a three-point lead in California, and was only down by one in Washington).  Alcon did begin to recover, slowly...but somehow lost Washington in the process (although he did gain it back by the 18th).  By the week of the election, Alcon, having won all three debates, having dodged a scandal, and having sprung one on Craddock, was only down by two...but his earlier dismal performance had cost him California.  And then a Power 9 scandal hit Alcon on the last day.

Josh Craddock (R-NC): 50%, 62,167,387, 308 EV
Alcon San Croix (D-WA): 48%, 60,742,388, 230 EV



In other words, Josh took California to a leadership conference....

[Josh/Devilman88]

Game 3:

josh22 [9] v. Alcon [4]

Craddock began the race with a whopping five-point lead (and a three-point lead in California, and was only down by one in Washington).  Alcon did begin to recover, slowly...but somehow lost Washington in the process (although he did gain it back by the 18th).  By the week of the election, Alcon, having won all three debates, having dodged a scandal, and having sprung one on Craddock, was only down by two...but his earlier dismal performance had cost him California.  And then a Power 9 scandal hit Alcon on the last day.

Josh Craddock (R-NC): 50%, 62,167,387, 308 EV
Alcon San Croix (D-WA): 48%, 60,742,388, 230 EV



In other words, Josh took California to a leadership conference....

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Haha! I won

[Erc]

Group D Standings:

Republicans:
josh22: [9] 1-0
Ernest: [4] 0-1, 790 EV
AndrewBerger [12]: 0-1, 732 EV
 

Democrats:
nini2287 [7]: 3-0, 852 EV
Immy [12]: 3-0, 840 EV
Alcon [4]: 2-1

[Erc]

Group E:

Erc [5] v. Gustaf [6]

Talbott started off with a two-point lead, which evaporated within two weeks.  Within another week, Lundgren was ahead by two points.  Talbott made up some of the difference quickly enough (Power 10 Lundgren scandal)...but, in the meantime, he'd lost Texas.  Nevertheless, on November 1, Talbott was up 1 in the polls and had very decent shots at California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Maryland.

West Virginia went to Talbott...236 EV.
Maryland went to Talbott...246 EV.
Minnesota went to Lundgren (no big surprise), but Wisconsin to Talbott.

But all of this was unimportant, anyway...whoever won California would win the election.

And it went to Lundgren.

P.G. Talbott (R-NY): 61,737,363, 49%, 256 EV
Gustaf Lundgren (D-MN): 61,379,756, 49%, 282 EV



Mommy, why doesn't Texas like me?


Game 2:

DanielX [10] v. Blerpiez [11]

Smith started off with a one-point lead.  On November 2nd, he won the popular vote by one point.

Daniel Smith (R-WY): 62,580,703, 50%, 245 EV
Peter Blerpiez (D-MA): 61,395,727, 49%, 293 EV



Game 3:

MHS2002 [11] v. TrueDemocrat [5]

Pettit started with a seven-point lead over Democrat...but, by Election Day, it was a dead heat--Pettit was hit by scandal after scandal, leaving him with -271 Mo' and leaving a lot of states undecided.

True Democrat (D-PA): 61,687,827, 49%, 278 EV
Scott Pettit (R-DC): 61,095,204, 49%, 260 EV



Democrat won due to that narrow 50,000 vote victory in Minnesota (exacerbated by the Libertarians pulling 3.6% of the vote--over 5% of their national total).

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Ernest [4] v. Immy [12]

Bunbury started off with a five point lead over Everett.  By election day (as always), this had narrowed to one...but Everett was in a much more comfortable position electorally, and only needed Illinois to win.

Ernest Bunbury (R-SC): 50%, 62,817,002, 268 EV
Eric Everett (D-ID): 49%, 61,172,240, 270 EV

I would say that we need to reform the Electoral College when it can keep from office the President a majority of the voters wanted.
(Especially when I'm the President.)
However, this contest is not over, as I'm going to contest the graveyard vote in Illinois!

[Lt. Gov. Immy]

I would say that we need to reform the Electoral College when it can keep from office the President a majority of the voters wanted.
(Especially when I'm the President.)
However, this contest is not over, as I'm going to contest the graveyard vote in Illinois!

Hey, I manufactered those votes fair and square!  It's a good thing a moved Dean Logan from King County to Cook County!

[nini2287]

I ran Bush v. Kerry 10 times with the default settings just to see what happened.  8 out of 10 times Kerry won the popular vote, but only the electoral vote 4 of them (he won one election 51-45 and still lost!)

Here were the results:
Game 1:  Bush 51-Kerry 47  Bush 315-Kerry 223
Game 2:  Kerry 50-Bush 48  Kerry 280-Bush 258
Game 3:  Kerry 49-Bush 48  Bush 284-Kerry 254
Game 4:  Kerry 50-Bush 47  Kerry 280-Bush 258
Game 5:  Kerry 52-Bush 46  Kerry 288-Bush 250
Game 6:  Kerry 49-Bush 49 (Kerry won PV) Bush 286-Kerry 252
Game 7:  Kerry 50-Bush 47  Bush 303-Kerry 235
Game 8:  Kerry 52-Bush 46  Kerry 272-Bush 266
Game 9:  Kerry 51-Bush 45  Bush 274-Kerry 264
Game 10: Bush 51-Kerry 46 Bush 275-Kerry 263
Average: Kerry 49.6-Bush 47.8  Bush 276.9-Kerry 261.1

[Gabu]

he won one election 51-45 and still lost!

My record sort of "WHAT THE HELL" result was this one time I won the PV with 54% as Howard Dean but somehow still managed to lose the election.

[Gustaf]

But Kerry's overall character score is 24, Bush's is 22, IIRC. So Kerry should have the advantage.

[Gustaf]

Nice to see me win Texas. And also MN once again!

[jokerman]

Right now in the electoral college you could technically win an election with only 11 votes in the popular vote by winning the 11 most populous states and the 1 vote in each state being the only vote.