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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2016, 04:11:27 PM »

You red avatars are so out of touch. Most people don't give a s--t who leaked the emails, whether it was the Russians. What people care about is WHO WROTE THEM, are those people were the Democratic political operatives.

Gets your heads out of your asses and just acknowledge that your party may be just slightly divided.
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2016, 04:12:48 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Don't you overestimate Putins power? /:

Not at all.
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2016, 04:21:22 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2016, 04:24:01 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

For the right price and copious amounts of ego stroking? Absolutely.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2016, 04:25:05 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.

Putin is hardcore KGB. Trump had five deferments from Vietnam and was a toy soldier in high school.

You do the math.
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2016, 04:26:05 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.

Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?
Trump is no man's bitch.

But the way you go-on in Atlas, it is clear to everyone that you, Seriously?, are trump's bitch.
And you are proud of it.
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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2016, 04:30:16 PM »

Atlas logic: it is completely rational to think that wiki leaks releasing DNC emails about plots to screw over Bernie Sanders means Trump is in Putins pocket. But it's a crazy conspiracy to have any problem with the Clinton foundation receiving money from middle eastern governments.
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2016, 04:32:05 PM »

Atlas logic: it is completely rational to think that wiki leaks releasing DNC emails about plots to screw over Bernie Sanders means Trump is in Putins pocket. But it's a crazy conspiracy to have any problem with the Clinton foundation receiving money from middle eastern governments.

That's the twisted logic of the radical lefties here.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2016, 04:39:41 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.

Putin is hardcore KGB. Trump had five deferments from Vietnam and was a toy soldier in high school.

You do the math.
But what if Putin has more serious stuff/emails about Hillary?
He could then easily blackmail her, if he is such a hardcore KGB  /:
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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2016, 04:40:18 PM »

lolno Nobody's helping Trump. Trump is only hurting himself. Russia shouldn't get their hopes up.
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2016, 04:41:21 PM »

This Putin speculation is getting way, way ahead of the actual facts as we know them at the moment. In fact we don't know anything about who hacked, and why. Nor do we know, to the extent anyone is implying that, that team Trump was in the loop on this. I suspect they would rather have DWS to kick around some more personally.
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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2016, 04:42:28 PM »

You red avatars are so out of touch. Most people don't give a s--t who leaked the emails, whether it was the Russians. What people care about is WHO WROTE THEM, are those people were the Democratic political operatives.

Gets your heads out of your asses and just acknowledge that your party may be just slightly divided.
Yes, they wrote idiotic work emails, it's typical. But who gave them to Assange? Everyone has a source; Wikileaks is just a messenger, a mere paper boy given what they receive or find. Could they have done this all by themselves? Perhaps, but unlikely. Much more likely is someone passed them the information.
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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2016, 04:45:06 PM »

I think this is a great line of attack to be honest, helps both to discredit the leaks and to build patriotic sympathy for the Clinton campaign.

right now this is mostly below the radar stuff, although I think Trump's campaign manager had to say something about this.
 
But could the message of how Trump is the favored candidate of Putin/The Kremlin be turned into 30sec TV ad without it looking like a kooky conspiracy theory?

It doesn't have to make it to an ad. Build it to a persistent background meme, and then attack him (say, during a debate) on something like the platform change, or refusal to support NATO. If he doesn't come back just right, then he's done - stake through the heart of his campaign right on the spot.


And Manafort can't say anything about this. It'll only highlight his own ties to Viktor Yanukovych (and Putin), along with other shady characters - all of which will only make the allegations appear even truthier.
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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2016, 04:52:00 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.

I suspect you overestimate the demand for Trump-branded shirts and hats.

Were you under the mistaken impression that Trump somehow "produces" anything but questionable real-estate deals, overpriced branding, and shady financial shenanigans?
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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2016, 04:52:13 PM »

John McCain needs to rebuke Trump immediately, or else he has no spine. Can you imagine Reagan allowing this kind of close relationship between a candidate and a former KGB officer???

Trump's praising of dictators, the NATO statement which lets Putin do whatever he wants, Manafort being linked to Putin stooges, and now Russian government hackers stealing opposition research on Trump. Way too much evidence to resist connecting the dots. The media cannot let this slide by any means.
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« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2016, 06:22:42 PM »

Does it matter if Russia is helping Trump?
The leaks are true. DNC conspired against Bernie. Russia releasing this doesn't make this fact untrue.

Russia interfering in an American election is dangerous to democracy in this country

No, the DNC conspiring against a legitimate presidential candidate, that is what poses a danger to democracy in this country, not anything Russia does after the fact.

Of course Russia interfering in American elections is dangerous !
What are you bird-brains thinking.

Some of us bird-brains just recognize the fact that if election officials weren't supplying Russia with the means of interfering with American elections, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Some of us bird-brains are interested in addressing root causes, not the subsequent problems in the aftermath. But never mind, it's about time for this bird-brain to go have an ice cream cone. (Maybe I'll get bird-brain freeze...).
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« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2016, 06:29:13 PM »

You red avatars are so out of touch. Most people don't give a s--t who leaked the emails, whether it was the Russians. What people care about is WHO WROTE THEM, are those people were the Democratic political operatives.

Gets your heads out of your asses and just acknowledge that your party may be just slightly divided.
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« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2016, 06:52:11 PM »

I think this is a great line of attack to be honest, helps both to discredit the leaks and to build patriotic sympathy for the Clinton campaign.

Nailed it.
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« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2016, 07:03:31 PM »

I think this is a great line of attack to be honest, helps both to discredit the leaks and to build patriotic sympathy for the Clinton campaign.

Nailed it.

That kind of attack has to be rolled out very carefully and you must ensure that all your ducks are lined up in a row. It also must have a feature where when doubters ask a question, you must be ready to reveal another piece of the puzzle to inflict maximum damage
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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2016, 07:07:51 PM »

Atlas logic: it is completely rational to think that wiki leaks releasing DNC emails about plots to screw over Bernie Sanders means Trump is in Putins pocket. But it's a crazy conspiracy to have any problem with the Clinton foundation receiving money from middle eastern governments.

Putin supports Trump, King of Saudi Arabia and Sultan of Brunei support Clinton, Cuba and Mexico support Cruz,  Israel supports Sanders,   ect.
Is there any official statement that the emails were hacked by Russian? No. Conjecture made out of thin air.  
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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2016, 07:11:36 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.

Maybe you missed it, but Donald Trump is clearly beholden to the few remaining RNC donors (mainly the ultra rich as well as the fossil fuel industry), which is why his economic "policy" is so laughably recycled from dolts like Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.  It's easy to lose sight in all of the racist conjecture about crime and immigration, but the fat man is running on trickle down economics and abolishing the EPA.

Trump is pretty clearly the little bitch of the Republican party and it's embarrassing that low-information people think he would do anything to improve their own personal financial situation.  A sad indictment on America's education system.
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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2016, 07:16:02 PM »

This is what Putin does, he tries to get leaders he can control into power. Look at Belarus, Lukashenko is controlled by Putin. All Putin would have to get Trump on board was let Trump's companies flood Russia's market with products and perhaps even control industries. Pay to play.
Do you really thing Vladimir Putin can control Donald Trump? Seriously?

Trump is no man's bitch.

Maybe you missed it, but Donald Trump is pretty clearly beholden to the few remaining RNC donors (mainly the ultra rich as well as the fossil fuel industry), which is why his economic "policy" is so laughably recycled from dolts like Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.  It's easy to lose sight in all of the racist conjecture about crime and immigration, but the fat man is running on trickle down economics and abolishing the EPA.

Trump is pretty clearly the little bitch of the Republican party and it's embarrassing that low-information people think he would do anything to improve their own personal financial situation.  A sad indictment on America's education system.

Yes. This anti-immigration anti-trade stuff (while being something I think he actually supports) is the distraction. His economic policies, like massive unsustainable tax cuts are the hidden elements.

Trump has a hard-on for authoritarian leaders, hence why Putin is such an attractive figure to him. He's his model of leadership, suppress opposition, silence the press, create scapegoats etc etc.
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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2016, 07:19:20 PM »

This Putin speculation is getting way, way ahead of the actual facts as we know them at the moment. In fact we don't know anything about who hacked, and why. Nor do we know, to the extent anyone is implying that, that team Trump was in the loop on this. I suspect they would rather have DWS to kick around some more personally.

Actually quite a few people are looking into this and it looks like Russia was involved quite heavily.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/
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« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2016, 07:43:32 PM »

This Putin speculation is getting way, way ahead of the actual facts as we know them at the moment. In fact we don't know anything about who hacked, and why. Nor do we know, to the extent anyone is implying that, that team Trump was in the loop on this. I suspect they would rather have DWS to kick around some more personally.

Actually quite a few people are looking into this and it looks like Russia was involved quite heavily.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/

If this is true, I hope Obama does not sweep it under the rug to appease Russia. North Korea was sanctioned over hacking a movie studio. This will help determine the next president. Allowing autocracies to exploit partisan divisions in democracies sets a precedent that puts all democracies in danger.
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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2016, 09:13:09 PM »

The Russians, ya right, and GWB is the smartest President ever.
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