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Erich Maria Remarque
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2016, 05:00:43 PM »

If you guys think Orban is a fascist, then you really don't know what modern Hungarian fascism looks like. Ever hear of Jobbik?

Yes, Hungary unfortunately has two major fascist parties.
Still, they had the largest number of the asylum applications per head of population in Europe year 2015.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/08/28/world/europe/countries-under-strain-from-european-migration-crisis.html
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2016, 05:08:34 PM »

Both Hungary, under Orban, and Poland are unhappy with the general EU immigration policy. In the EU context, Hungary is a have-not state and wants funds spent on its development. Orban has shut its borders to Syrian immigrants and has only agreed to continue letting them through after getting additional EU funds.  In addition with the right wing pressures at home, Orban sounds like a mini-Hitler at times. He is currently being kept in check by Germany, but obviously feels that if Trump wins, that would benefit his position within the EU.

However, one thing Hungary, or any other Easter European country will never do is agree to the dismantling of NATO, which Trump's reckless comments seemed to imply. The Russian threat is still very present there.

So, look at Orban's comments as mainly for internal and EU political consumption, without too much meaning or value.
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2016, 05:12:32 PM »

Both Hungary, under Orban, and Poland are unhappy with the general EU immigration policy. In the EU context, Hungary is a have-not state and wants funds spent on its development. Orban has shut its borders to Syrian immigrants and has only agreed to continue letting them through after getting additional EU funds.  In addition with the right wing pressures at home, Orban sounds like a mini-Hitler at times. He is currently being kept in check by Germany, but obviously feels that if Trump wins, that would benefit his position within the EU.

However, one thing Hungary, or any other Easter European country will never do is agree to the dismantling of NATO, which Trump's reckless comments seemed to imply. The Russian threat is still very present there.

So, look at Orban's comments as mainly for internal and EU political consumption, without too much meaning or value.

Trump doesn't want to dismantle NATO. He wants the members to pay their dues.
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2016, 06:10:09 PM »

Both Hungary, under Orban, and Poland are unhappy with the general EU immigration policy. In the EU context, Hungary is a have-not state and wants funds spent on its development. Orban has shut its borders to Syrian immigrants and has only agreed to continue letting them through after getting additional EU funds.  In addition with the right wing pressures at home, Orban sounds like a mini-Hitler at times. He is currently being kept in check by Germany, but obviously feels that if Trump wins, that would benefit his position within the EU.

However, one thing Hungary, or any other Easter European country will never do is agree to the dismantling of NATO, which Trump's reckless comments seemed to imply. The Russian threat is still very present there.

So, look at Orban's comments as mainly for internal and EU political consumption, without too much meaning or value.

Trump doesn't want to dismantle NATO. He wants the members to pay their dues.


Perhaps, but that is not how it is perceived in Eastern Europe.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2016, 06:14:28 PM »

Crazy to think nowadays that Orban started his career as a libertarian. I suppose the transition is a natural cycle.

You see, true libertarians are against the radical left nowadays. The radical left ideology aims to stifle freedom.


This is correct. The alt-right and libertarians are in solidarity against the regressive left (SJWs, feminists, PC "liberals") for the freedom of speech.

No, it's actually because "libertarianism" was a superficial idealogy that immediately degenerated upon contact with the outside world.
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