Democratic National Convention **live commentary thread**

[Fusionmunster]

Petition to make every speaker sing a number with backup dancers before they can leave the stage anyone?

[Chief Justice Keef]

Demi Lovato; a better Selena Gomez.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

All I heard all day was how the Bernie Bros were causing a big ruckus, and now I finally turn it on and it's really tame. Demi Lovato got a huge applause when she said to vote Hillary.

The dogs are out to round up the sheep.

[heatcharger]

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Beautiful! Thank you Philly weather!

[Fusionmunster]

All I heard all day was how the Bernie Bros were causing a big ruckus, and now I finally turn it on and it's really tame. Demi Lovato got a huge applause when she said to vote Hillary.

It was really bad earlier, but its gotten alot better due to the camps cracking down.

[Xing]

All I heard all day was how the Bernie Bros were causing a big ruckus, and now I finally turn it on and it's really tame. Demi Lovato got a huge applause when she said to vote Hillary.

A lot of folks who were claiming that the convention would end up being a disaster jumped the gun a bit.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This is just annoying now, but I'm biased against a lot of popular music today. Bernie had some cool bands backing him at least that appealed to a broader base of fans then 13 year old girls and housewives trying to be cool.

[NOVA Green]

Haven't seen much on this thread, other than the usual Hillary hacks freaking out blaming everything on Bernie, and the Republican hacks rubbing their hands.

What is neglected is the fundamentals that the Democratic Party is deeply divided regarding foreign and economic policy, over decades of poor decisions going back to the early 1990s and the time of the DLC.

We saw NAFTA rammed down our throat supported by a Democratic President, where the vast majority our Senators and Reps voted against.

Personally, I saw (500) jobs disappear virtually overnight in a (9,000 employee) manufacturing facility of a Fortune 500 company where I worked, where the starting pay was $11.50-13.50/Hour (DOE) back in the mid '90s, including two friends that worked on those lines. Subsequently, the same company shut down virtually all manufacturing lines and relocated them to Ireland, Puerto Rico, and Singapore, and several thousand more high paying manufacturing jobs (Including management, engineers, sales and marketing, etc...) in order to take advantage of corporate tax loopholes.

These stories exist across America, and yes the Democratic Party at senior levels was responsible for that trade agreement.

Is it any wonder that Donald Trump has made this a major issue, when it appears for many Democratic voters that the Party is so much in favor of "Free Trade" without providing "Fair Trade" that actually provides the labor and environmental protections, job retraining and education policies that were promised when the Democratic Party DLC (Now thankfully retired) chose to go that route???

I know many posters on this forum, including a huge number of red avatars, don't actually remember what happened because they are too young, nor saw friends, family, and even communities impacted by the destruction caused by a Neo-Corporatist vision as part of a giant "race to the bottom" based upon a Globalist vision that appears to care more about Wall Street investors where everything is Profit/Loss and not about investing in America Inc....

Don't blame Bernie for actually speaking the truth when it comes to the collusion of *both* political parties in the selling out of America to the highest bidder.

No, I contest the idea that anecdotes should be taken as facts, especially on free trade.

Fair enough, and obviously there will be jobs generated and jobs lost.

So the theory of "Comparative Advantage" based upon economic theories of Smith & Ricardo assumes that all trade is created equal (Apples to Oranges).

What is clear is that not all trade is created equal, and additionally the entire concept that a huge chunk of American workers making decent paying living in the manufacturing are shoved out to pasture, because we have supposed benefits of buying tacky assembly required products from China at our local Wal-Mart, rather than higher-quality products from North/South Carolina is ludicrous.

Generally, it appears to me that the proponents of the extreme version of free-trade (a la NAFTA) is that somehow prices will be cheaper for consumer products and that America will see a net gain of extremely high-paying jobs in services and capital to somehow work out the difference.

Reality is that America has seen a huge explosion of low-paying service and health-care jobs over the past few decades, and that yes Multi-National-Corporations (MNCs) have been exploiting and gaming the system to exploit every loophole, and sure there have been some job gains along the way.

I know you don't believe in anecdotes, but when I left Texas at the end of '15 the same MNC was moving rapidly forward to close down high-tech manufacturing lines to relocate to Ciudad Juarez Mexico, and lay off over 1,000 employees, including not only individuals payed at *Texas* minimum wage, but also management, supply-chain, engineers, and techs (In-House).

Reality is that *none* of these profits go into the hands of employees, that ship has long since sailed from the mid '90s. These are American jobs that were sacrificed at the altar of a Neo-Liberal economic agenda, where the party of the people became the party of Wall Street.

Been around the block for decades young buck, and yes I will vote Clinton (Although my wife is still leaning G. Johnson) since I firmly believe she will help move the platform forward in a more progressive direction, but you can't ignore the reality that Trump is playing a legitimate card when it feels for many blue-collar workers that both the Democratic and Republican Party have have abandoned them.

Not a crazy economic Nationalist/ Protectionist, but there are a lot of us aged 35-55 that see the games that both parties have been playing to kiss the ass of Wall Street and Multinational Corporations over the past 20+ Years.

[Wells]

Obama's weather machine has successfully saved Hillary from bad optics.

[Confused Democrat]

All I heard all day was how the Bernie Bros were causing a big ruckus, and now I finally turn it on and it's really tame. Demi Lovato got a huge applause when she said to vote Hillary.

The Bernie camp has been quietly working all day sending ambassadors to each delegation in order to get his supporters to be respectful during the convention.

It seems to be working.

[DrScholl]

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Beautiful! Thank you Philly weather!

Stein will seriously claim that Hillary made it rain to spoil her rally. Wait for it.

[Wells]

Demi was great.

[Xing]

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Beautiful! Thank you Philly weather!

Stein will seriously claim that Hillary made it rain to spoil her rally. Wait for it.

The weather is such a Hillary hack. #Shillightning

[Xing]

Merkley's definitely trying to appeal to Sander's supporters by drawing attention to issues.

[Classic Conservative]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

[Gass3268]

If they boo this girl, I am going to drive up to Philly and kick some ass.

[Devout Centrist]

If they boo at a child, then that's really bad optics.

[Confused Democrat]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

One illegal.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

[Wells]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

And now we have one troll speaking, get the mods.

[Chief Justice Keef]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

Your bait sucks.

[JerryArkansas]

A now they have two illegals speaking, get the border patrol.

Get the hell out you little prick.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

If they boo at a child, then that's really bad optics.

It's not just bad optics.

[riceowl]

I think all the Spanish is going to backfire.

[Gass3268]

This girl is awesome!