Democratic National Convention **live commentary thread**

[freedomburns]

I didn't think I could love Bernie any more than I do, but I was wrong.  After that barn burner speech, I'm ready to marry that man, and I'm not even gay.

[Oak Hills]

It excludes no form of government empirically known to mankind. Hence, it is meaningless. In fact, it is observationally equivalent to my "urinating" definition.

I agree with the above; I was just pointing out that Invisible Obama didn't make up that definition, and it's been floating around and gaining popularity for years.

[ag]

If Hillary reneges on TPP, whether it's forced down our throats in the lame duck session or not, then her supporters really won't have an argument to keep Bernie supporters with her next election.  She's not doing it.

She will not have to. Obama will do everything

Not in the rollout.

Once it is the law, it is the law You know, Tim Kaine has always been against the death penalty....

And, trust me, no actual American would ever directly observe the rollout

So maybe I'll be voting for Trump in November anyway.

You should - as should every other right wing Republican, like you.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I am ashamed of the 43% of the democratic party that literally voted for a movement that is the beginning of America becoming China or Russia.

Bernie's proposed policies = China = Russia?

China and Russia are vastly different, and both are different than what he proposed.

Both are communist nations, Socialism is merely a step on the way to communism.

Apart from the fact that Russia isn't a communist nation (and ignoring the fact that a true communist nation has never existed), you can't say that adopting socialist policies means you're on the road to communism.  That's like saying electing a libertarian would be putting us on the road to anarchy.

[ag]

It excludes no form of government empirically known to mankind. Hence, it is meaningless. In fact, it is observationally equivalent to my "urinating" definition.

I agree with the above; I was just pointing out that Invisible Obama didn't make up that definition, and it's been floating around and gaining popularity for years.

Well, I am just objecting to calling it a "definition". It is not defining anything.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

If Hillary reneges on TPP, whether it's forced down our throats in the lame duck session or not, then her supporters really won't have an argument to keep Bernie supporters with her next election.  She's not doing it.

She will not have to. Obama will do everything

Not in the rollout.

Once it is the law, it is the law You know, Tim Kaine has always been against the death penalty....

And, trust me, no actual American would ever directly observe the rollout

So maybe I'll be voting for Trump in November anyway.

You should - as should every other right wing Republican, like you.

Sounds good to me.

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Protectionism can be dangerous.

Indeed it can be. Protectionism transformed America from a harmless colonial backwater into an economic and military titan that surpassed the great powers of Europe.

[DrScholl]

I am ashamed of the 43% of the democratic party that literally voted for a movement that is the beginning of America becoming China or Russia.

Bernie's proposed policies = China = Russia?

China and Russia are vastly different, and both are different than what he proposed.

Both are communist nations, Socialism is merely a step on the way to communism.

SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER BERNIE! SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER

Okay, I guess you're against the fire department, the police, national parks, public libraries, etc.

That isn't typically considered to fall under the umbrella of Socialism. Free education and health care does.

You can't pick and choose like that, economics isn't al a carte. If you pay tax dollars that are in turn used for services, that is socialism. When everyone pays a share, then it's socialism.

That is a definition you yourself invented. In the same spirit of individual definitional innovation I suggest another defintion: urinating is socialism. If you ever urinated in your life, you are a socialist.  You cannot pick and choose here: this is not a la carte.

BTW, what is a carte?

I cannot believe someone doesn't know what al a carte means. It's a French saying for picking separate items off of a menu without ordering an entire meal.

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

[ag]

If Hillary reneges on TPP, whether it's forced down our throats in the lame duck session or not, then her supporters really won't have an argument to keep Bernie supporters with her next election.  She's not doing it.

She will not have to. Obama will do everything

Not in the rollout.

Once it is the law, it is the law You know, Tim Kaine has always been against the death penalty....

And, trust me, no actual American would ever directly observe the rollout

So maybe I'll be voting for Trump in November anyway.

You should - as should every other right wing Republican, like you.

Sounds good to me.

Wonderful. Really hope you use the next 4 years to fully switch allegiance and will forever vote in the GOP primaries from now on.

[RINO Tom]

Protectionism can be dangerous.

Indeed it can be. Protectionism transformed America from a harmless colonial backwater into an economic and military titan that surpassed the great powers of Europe.

When we were a developing economy, it was helpful.  Economists realize we're not, and it's not.

[Devout Centrist]

Protectionism can be dangerous.

Indeed it can be. Protectionism transformed America from a harmless colonial backwater into an economic and military titan that surpassed the great powers of Europe.

Yes, and Free Trade took America from a regional power to a global superpower with allies across the globe.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Protectionism can be dangerous.

Indeed it can be. Protectionism transformed America from a harmless colonial backwater into an economic and military titan that surpassed the great powers of Europe.

When we were a developing economy, it was helpful.  Economists realize we're not, and it's not.

Indeed, America could be a self-sustaining economy. It can't be now. The reality about that is costs will have to rise, or wages will have to drop.

[ag]

I am ashamed of the 43% of the democratic party that literally voted for a movement that is the beginning of America becoming China or Russia.

Bernie's proposed policies = China = Russia?

China and Russia are vastly different, and both are different than what he proposed.

Both are communist nations, Socialism is merely a step on the way to communism.

SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER BERNIE! SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER

Okay, I guess you're against the fire department, the police, national parks, public libraries, etc.

That isn't typically considered to fall under the umbrella of Socialism. Free education and health care does.

You can't pick and choose like that, economics isn't al a carte. If you pay tax dollars that are in turn used for services, that is socialism. When everyone pays a share, then it's socialism.

That is a definition you yourself invented. In the same spirit of individual definitional innovation I suggest another defintion: urinating is socialism. If you ever urinated in your life, you are a socialist.  You cannot pick and choose here: this is not a la carte.

BTW, what is a carte?

I cannot believe someone doesn't know what al a carte means. It's a French saying for picking separate items off of a menu without ordering an entire meal.

No, that would be "a la carte" (sorry for missing the accent on the first "a", my keybord is not set up for the frenchie ones, and a Spanish accent would be wrong here). I have no clue what "al a carte" is, though

[RINO Tom]

yuck Anti-TPP

I hate it too, despite the fact Democrats support free trade, the unions have hijacked the issue.

Democrats DON'T support free trade, quite obviously.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/17/only-democrats-tend-support-free-trade/

While Obama is in office, Republicans are more skeptical of free trade, and when Bush was in office, support was much, much lower among Democrats; Gallup poll history backs that up.

I was talking about politicians.  Republican Congressmen are going to, by and large, be a reliable vote for free trade, and Democratic Congressmen are going to continue to provide the bulk of the opposition.

[Illiniwek]

That Vermont delegate was an ABSOLUTE MORON. My god, Bernie wasn't represented tonight? He was disrespected by going last? These Bernie or bust people have NO CLUE what is going on. They are doing him such a disservice.

[ag]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

[Devout Centrist]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

Careful, AG, remember that Brexit happened and the easily manipulated hate experts now.

[ag]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

Careful, AG, remember that Brexit happened and the easily manipulated hate experts now.

I am used to that

[DrScholl]

I am ashamed of the 43% of the democratic party that literally voted for a movement that is the beginning of America becoming China or Russia.

Bernie's proposed policies = China = Russia?

China and Russia are vastly different, and both are different than what he proposed.

Both are communist nations, Socialism is merely a step on the way to communism.

SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER BERNIE! SOCIALISM IS NOT THE ANSWER

Okay, I guess you're against the fire department, the police, national parks, public libraries, etc.

That isn't typically considered to fall under the umbrella of Socialism. Free education and health care does.

You can't pick and choose like that, economics isn't al a carte. If you pay tax dollars that are in turn used for services, that is socialism. When everyone pays a share, then it's socialism.

That is a definition you yourself invented. In the same spirit of individual definitional innovation I suggest another defintion: urinating is socialism. If you ever urinated in your life, you are a socialist.  You cannot pick and choose here: this is not a la carte.

BTW, what is a carte?

I cannot believe someone doesn't know what al a carte means. It's a French saying for picking separate items off of a menu without ordering an entire meal.

No, that would be "a la carte" (sorry for missing the accent on the first "a", my keybord is not set up for the frenchie ones, and a Spanish accent would be wrong here). I have no clue what "al a carte" is, though

Nice cover.

[Crumpets]

That Vermont delegate was an ABSOLUTE MORON. My god, Bernie wasn't represented tonight? He was disrespected by going last? These Bernie or bust people have NO CLUE what is going on. They are doing him such a disservice.

I'm pretty sure many of them were genuinely under the impression that this was supposed to be a truly contested convention. The fact that people are all giving pro-Hillary speeches is to them just more evidence of the DNC's corruption.

[DrScholl]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

I'm not in the habit of studying everyone's profile here. You need to brush up on your stuff. But then again, sometimes any random person off the street can become a professor and still not fully grasp what they have studied. I know a whole lot of people in professions and it's questionable how they got there.

[Dr. Arch]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

I'm not in the habit of studying everyone's profile here. You need to brush up on your stuff. But then again, sometimes anyone can become a professor. I know a whole lot of people in professions and it's questionable how they got there.

L-O-L.

[ag]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

I'm not in the habit of studying everyone's profile here. You need to brush up on your stuff. But then again, sometimes anyone can become a professor. I know a whole lot of people in professions and it's questionable how they got there.

Well, I can tell you my way. Double major in economics and mathematics in college. Than Ph.D. in economics - pretty damn standard

[Devout Centrist]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

I'm not in the habit of studying everyone's profile here. You need to brush up on your stuff. But then again, sometimes anyone can become a professor. I know a whole lot of people in professions and it's questionable how they got there.

Socialism is, "state ownership of the means of production."

Sure, there are welfare systems that have elements of socialism, but it's hardly socialism as an economic model.

[DrScholl]

You need a real education and seriously. If there was no socialism involved in government, we'd have a completely capitalist economy with no taxes and where infrastructure was privately funded. I didn't invent a damn thing, you are lashing out at me because you don't understand economics and accusing me of just making up things. Get an education, get an education, get an education. You have been read.

Having been a professor of economics for, likely, almost as many years that you have been around, I am mildly amused

BTW, if you have not noticed, I am the moderator of the Economics board here

I'm not in the habit of studying everyone's profile here. You need to brush up on your stuff. But then again, sometimes anyone can become a professor. I know a whole lot of people in professions and it's questionable how they got there.

L-O-L.

That should have said just any person off the street can become a professor, but I was trying to be polite. I'll edit it for the massively nitpickers here.