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« on: July 25, 2016, 12:56:07 PM »

Huh
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 12:57:06 PM »

Obviously, making all the DWS drama even worse, infuriating Bernie supporters immediately before the convention.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 12:57:32 PM »

Yes. A lot.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 01:00:16 PM »

In the near term? Most definitely.

That said, I think we'd have seen all these Bernie Bust protests anyways. They've been organizing this for a while
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 01:01:55 PM »

Yes, and I'd say astronomically.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 01:07:17 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 01:08:05 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 01:09:24 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Why do you think the emails were released exactly when they were?
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 01:10:56 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Willful ignorance.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 01:11:42 PM »

Yes. And over playing the Trump-Putin connection helps him too. Letting it build for weeks or months may very well have worked. Hammering on it until it breaks just makes him look better.

It's like Team Hillary is desperately seeking a silver bullet,  possibly to the point of neglecting the grunt work they need to be doing to win.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 01:13:16 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Why do you think the emails were released exactly when they were?

To hurt Hillary, of course.

Why do you think there were emails to be released in the first place?
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 01:17:08 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Why do you think the emails were released exactly when they were?

To hurt Hillary, of course.

Why do you think there were emails to be released in the first place?


Some people in the DNC clearly wanted Hillary. Who's surprised? The timing of this, as well as the fact that only the DNC was hacked clearly shows an agenda. Russia wants Trump.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 01:19:54 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Why do you think the emails were released exactly when they were?

To hurt Hillary, of course.

Why do you think there were emails to be released in the first place?


Some people in the DNC clearly wanted Hillary. Who's surprised? The timing of this, as well as the fact that only the DNC was hacked clearly shows an agenda. Russia wants Trump.

Why do we keep getting dirt and more dirt on Hillary? Why isn't there any dirt on Obama?
Could it be that one of them is crooked and the other is not?
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 01:22:06 PM »

Yes, at least for now. Does anyone doubt the intentions behind this hack?

I don't know what you are talking about.


Why do you think the emails were released exactly when they were?

To hurt Hillary, of course.

Why do you think there were emails to be released in the first place?


Some people in the DNC clearly wanted Hillary. Who's surprised? The timing of this, as well as the fact that only the DNC was hacked clearly shows an agenda. Russia wants Trump.

Why do we keep getting dirt and more dirt on Hillary? Why isn't there any dirt on Obama?
Could it be that one of them is crooked and the other is not?


"Dirt on Hillary"? lol

There is a crooked candidate in this race. It's the one who has no filter, and accuses everyone else of being a liar, while not taking a look in the mirror.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 01:52:12 PM »
« Edited: July 25, 2016, 01:53:49 PM by Virginia »

One must wonder what they plan to release week(s) before the election. That shouldn't be ruled out. My money is on them releasing some real dirt sometime in late October. IF there is more damaging material from that hack, it could very well tank this election for Democrats if used right.

It's hard for me to fully express how disappointed I am in Clinton, Obama and the DNC in general:

1. Clinton knew she had huge amounts of baggage and still ran, putting us in this spot. The party never should have bowed to her, given her liabilities as a candidate.

2. Obama knew DWS was a monstrosity and a disaster waiting to happen, and he refused to force her out because he didn't want to deal with the negative press. Now look where we are. He cares so much about his legacy and yet his inept leadership of the party has put even that in danger now. I like Obama on numerous levels, but his stewardship of the Democratic party has been awful and he deserves a lot of blame for keeping Debbie on well past the average tenure of DNC chairs.

3. The DNC should have had better security on their network, and yet again proves that high-risk organizations and the old, technologically-inept leaders are utterly incapable of understanding how enormous the dangers of being hacked are. Further, proper DNC leadership should have shut down these little meddling conversations and kept the party strictly neutral. I don't think anything was rigged like people have whined about, but the emails reveal conversations and ideas that never should have happened.

Thanks Obama!
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 01:55:56 PM »

One must wonder what they plan to release week(s) before the election. That shouldn't be ruled out. My money is on them releasing some real dirt sometime in late October. IF there is more damaging material from that hack, it could very well tank this election for Democrats if used right.

It's hard for me to fully express how disappointed I am in Clinton, Obama and the DNC in general:

1. Clinton knew she had huge amounts of baggage and still ran, putting us in this spot. The party never should have bowed to her, given her liabilities as a candidate.

2. Obama knew DWS was a monstrosity and a disaster waiting to happen, and he refused to force her out because he didn't want to deal with the negative press. Now look where we are. He cares so much about his legacy and yet his inept leadership of the party has put even that in danger now. I like Obama on numerous levels, but his stewardship of the Democratic party has been awful and he deserves a lot of blame for keeping Debbie on well past the average tenure of DNC chairs.

3. The DNC should have had better security on their network, and yet again proves that high-risk organizations and the old, technologically-inept leaders are utterly incapable of understanding how enormous the dangers of being hacked are. Further, proper DNC leadership should have shut down these little meddling conversations and kept the party strictly neutral. I don't think anything was rigged like people have whined about, but the emails reveal conversations and ideas that never should have happened.

Thanks Obama!

It's the emails, dear. We know that Hillary is casual with emails.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2016, 02:18:57 PM »

What a pitty they couldn't delete these mails. DWS should have asked Hilldog, she knows how to do it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2016, 02:24:41 PM »

It might not be a terrible idea for Democrats to release everything that may have been hacked during the Olympics to limit its potential damage. It won't happen, but that'd eliminate the chance of an October surprise
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2016, 02:26:26 PM »

If it is verified that Russia truly leaked or helped in the leaking, it will hurt trump in the months to come, more than Hillary.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2016, 02:28:13 PM »

If it is verified that Russia truly leaked or helped in the leaking, it will hurt trump in the months to come, more than Hillary.

I doubt it. There had to be information to be leaked, before the hack itself. It's the dirt being leaked that is causing the outrage.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:05 PM »

If it is verified that Russia truly leaked or helped in the leaking, it will hurt trump in the months to come, more than Hillary.

I doubt it. There had to be information to be leaked, before the hack itself. It's the dirt being leaked that is causing the outrage.

It is now, yes.
But if it is verified that Russia did it, then the link between Putin helping trump will hurt
the Trump /IS Dense ticket later.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2016, 02:34:47 PM »

If it is verified that Russia truly leaked or helped in the leaking, it will hurt trump in the months to come, more than Hillary.

I doubt it. There had to be information to be leaked, before the hack itself. It's the dirt being leaked that is causing the outrage.

It is now, yes.
But if it is verified that Russia did it, then the link between Putin helping trump will hurt
the Trump /IS Dense ticket later.

Since that can never be verified, it will remain a desperate conspiracy theory that will hurt Hillary even more.

The Russians aren’t amateurs, you know.

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2016, 02:38:30 PM »

If it is verified that Russia truly leaked or helped in the leaking, it will hurt trump in the months to come, more than Hillary.

I doubt it. There had to be information to be leaked, before the hack itself. It's the dirt being leaked that is causing the outrage.

It is now, yes.
But if it is verified that Russia did it, then the link between Putin helping trump will hurt
the Trump /IS Dense ticket later.

Since that can never be verified, it will remain a desperate conspiracy theory that will hurt Hillary even more.
The Russians aren’t amateurs, you know.

I think it can be verified, or the intelligence groups can have a very good idea if it was (or wasn't) the Russians. It doesn't need to be 100%. Just enough so that we can make the link, and change the ticket name to Trump/Putin.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2016, 02:38:52 PM »

At the margins it may help Trump a bit as it plays "perfectly" into the whole "crooked Hillary" narrative, and perhaps a few more Bernie Sanders supporters stay home.

DWS was more a liability than a help -her getting axed is likely a net plus for Hillary.

That being said, it's a long way till November.

In baseball terms... it's a Double for Team Trump...... in a regular season game in July....  Means very little  come playoff time.

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2016, 03:58:04 PM »

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/757662337251749888

"She worked very hard to rig the system little did know that China Russia one of our many many friends hacked the hell out of us." - Trump
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