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« on: July 25, 2016, 02:26:00 PM »

The left wing of the Democratic Party has caused tension recently. The removal of centrist Debbie Wasserman Schultz as DNC chair. The most progressive platform in Democratic Party history. The left wing wants a massive tax on corporations
Meanwhile, the right wing of the Republican Party has been hijacked by populist, everyman blue collar billionaire Donald Trump. The right wing is adamantly opposed to immigration reform. With this,  do you approve of ideological purity, or do you want centrism?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 02:46:57 PM »

Sanity and pragmatism are nice, but I'd prefer to avoid the "centrism" that is war in the middle east, kickbacks for the largest corporations and cuts to social programs, even if it means that elites have to reckon with crazy people for a little while.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 03:03:29 PM »

That's an utterly meaningless question in the abstract.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 03:28:40 PM »

Sanity and pragmatism are nice, but I'd prefer to avoid the "centrism" that is war in the middle east, kickbacks for the largest corporations and cuts to social programs, even if it means that elites have to reckon with crazy people for a little while.
I opposed the Iraq War, but I understand the Afghanistan War. Would you have preferred that the U.S. cave in to the terrorists in 2001?
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 04:36:04 PM »

This is a meaningless decision in the abstract, but in the abstract, I'd rather stick to my guns than compromise, of course.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2016, 03:09:38 AM »

In totality centrism(fiscal conservative, social liberal, foreign policy pragmatist) but on the budget im ideological purity.If i was speaker i would demand at least 400 billion dollars in spending cuts and the only compromise is what things get cut not the amount.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2016, 10:45:48 AM »

You can be both of course.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2016, 01:48:11 PM »

In totality centrism(fiscal conservative, social liberal, foreign policy pragmatist) but on the budget im ideological purity.If i was speaker i would demand at least 400 billion dollars in spending cuts and the only compromise is what things get cut not the amount.
Anybody who demands spending cuts based on dollar figures rather than the scope of government has no coherent ideology.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2016, 01:49:56 PM »

What if your ideology happens to lie near the center?
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2016, 05:38:09 PM »

Frankly, I prefer centrism when necessary and greater ideological purity otherwise.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 08:14:12 PM »

Centrism in the sense of being for pragmatism and solution oriented policies.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 08:20:11 PM »

I prefer ideological purity, of course, but that might be somewhat easy for me since I'm a centrist by nature.  My ideologically pure ideal legislator would necessarily be intrinsically pragmatist.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 08:56:57 PM »

Centrism
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2016, 02:48:24 AM »

oh come on, am i the only honest person here? ideological purity for my side and centrism for the other side, which is everyone's real answer.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2016, 03:39:26 AM »

oh come on, am i the only honest person here? ideological purity for my side and centrism for the other side, which is everyone's real answer.

this. this so much.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2016, 06:53:52 AM »

I want to push my ideological agenda as far as I can in the primaries, and then align behind whoever wins my party's primary in the general. So pragmatism, I guess? Nobody ever gained anything by strategically sabotaging the people they were closer to on the issues.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2016, 08:59:02 AM »

Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2016, 09:29:26 AM »

Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.

It's more that corruption in the pursuit of corruption leads to generally centrist parties.
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2016, 10:24:12 AM »

Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.

My question with regards to 'centrism in the pursuit of centrism' is always: where do you draw the line? If the centre ground of the electorate suddenly decided that the NHS is evulll communism and needs to be privatised, then would Blairites and Cameroons argue for that position for the sake of electability, or would they attempt to convince the electorate that it is mistaken? Well we know the answer (hint: the former) but the latter is vastly more desirable imo.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2016, 11:08:32 AM »

'Centrism' is an ideology.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2016, 01:42:55 PM »

Centrism in the pursuit of centrism leads to like the most corrupt parties in the western world, in my experience.

My question with regards to 'centrism in the pursuit of centrism' is always: where do you draw the line? If the centre ground of the electorate suddenly decided that the NHS is evulll communism and needs to be privatised, then would Blairites and Cameroons argue for that position for the sake of electability, or would they attempt to convince the electorate that it is mistaken? Well we know the answer (hint: the former) but the latter is vastly more desirable imo.

Politicians since the late 80s - early 90s seem to have completely forgotten the very notion of trying to convince voters of anything.
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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2016, 01:43:25 PM »


No it's not.
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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2016, 01:55:13 PM »

In totality centrism(fiscal conservative, social liberal, foreign policy pragmatist) but on the budget im ideological purity.If i was speaker i would demand at least 400 billion dollars in spending cuts and the only compromise is what things get cut not the amount.
Anybody who demands spending cuts based on dollar figures rather than the scope of government has no coherent ideology.

I want across the government cuts in everything but VA , and infastructure
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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2016, 11:14:59 PM »

Both are meaningless in a vacuum.
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2016, 01:08:36 AM »


It's not an ideology in itself, but it could refer to an ideology in specific contexts. For example, centrism in the United States is different from centrism in Sweden.
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