Do you support affirmative consent laws in their current form?

[Californiadreaming]

As for me, I voted "No, but I support affirmative consent laws in another form."

Indeed, while affirmative consent laws might very well be good laws in theory, the way that affirmative consent laws are currently written and implemented makes me hesitant to support these laws. Why? Well, this FIRE response to Ezra Klein's pro-affirmative consent article helps explain why exactly I have and hold this position:

https://www.thefire.org/ezra-klein-gets-wrong-yes-means-yes-law-california/

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=215933.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=227283.0

[Green Line]

No.  I support meritocracy.

[Goldwater]

No.  I support meritocracy.

I think you misread the thread title...

[DC Al Fine]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

[Murica!]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

Laughing at victims of marital rape is hilarious ain't it?

[dead0man]

it can be, not always and not to everybody, but it certainly can be.  Anything can be funny.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

Laughing at victims of marital rape is hilarious ain't it?

Yeah. Of course it's easy to think rape culture is not a serious problem that justifies making serious changes to our legal system to combat it when your chances of actually getting raped are next to nil.

As for these laws, they're a small steps in the right direction, but don't address the core of the problem IMO.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     No. Affirmative consent is a rather incoherent attempt to do something about something that is almost as ignorant of the principles of criminal justice as it is of human interaction. I am open to ideas on something to do, but I don't see affirmative consent laws being the answer.

[RaphaelDLG]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

Laughing at victims of marital rape is hilarious ain't it?

I think his point is that, under this proposed legal definition, he's been "raped" many times, which would, as he implies, be farcical.

Personally, I think there are better legal and institutional changes that we can make to help rape victims and make them feel like judges and the officers of the law are on their side, and that we should continue to bang the drum of "REPORT IMMEDIATELY" until it's a reflex like "stop, drop, and roll."

[Associate Justice PiT]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

Laughing at victims of marital rape is hilarious ain't it?

I think his point is that, under this proposed legal definition, he's been "raped" many times, which would, as he implies, be farcical.

Personally, I think there are better legal and institutional changes that we can make to help rape victims and make them feel like judges and the officers of the law are on their side, and that we should continue to bang the drum of "REPORT IMMEDIATELY" until it's a reflex like "stop, drop, and roll."

     This is a good idea, for example. The police are criticized for not helping victims, yet some fairly prominent rape accusations are never reported to the police. I would generalize it and say that if you have been the victim of any crime, you should report it right away. The longer you wait, the harder it will be to build a case against the criminal and the more likely that they will walk.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that women who actually have tried reporting rapes have almost always been treated with disbelief and outright shaming?

[RaphaelDLG]

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that women who actually have tried reporting rapes have almost always been treated with disbelief and outright shaming?

Yeah, but a better solution to that is not an illogical change to the law, but to crack down on the disbelief, outright shaming, and other forms of institutional sexism.

[DC Al Fine]

Yes. My wife assaulted me so many times without my consent. #Justice4DC

Laughing at victims of marital rape is hilarious ain't it?

I think his point is that, under this proposed legal definition, he's been "raped" many times, which would, as he implies, be farcical.

Precisely. Some of you need to work on your reading comprehension.