Franklin Foer: the DNC hack is Watergate, but worse

[Beet]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/07/the_dnc_hack_is_watergate_but_worse.html

The only part I disagree with is that while intelligence agencies have "high confidence" it was the Russians, they haven't confirmed whether the DNC was targeted to influence the election, or whether it was just routine snooping that got lucky.

[Sir Mohamed]

The only part I disagree with is that while intelligence agencies have "high confidence" it was the Russians, they haven't confirmed whether the DNC was targeted to influence the election, or whether it was just routine snooping that got lucky.

Agreed.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

[Dereich]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

[The Other Castro]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

That statement was just as ridiculous when you said it in IRC.

[Likely Voter]

Foreign powers attempting to hack is routine.  I remember a report from 2012 where the Romney VP vetting team were only allowed non networked computers because their other computers were under regular attack. What is new is a foreign power using one of their hacks as a political weapon to influence an election. 

This potential Russia Trump connection is becoming a thing. George Will yesterday said Trumps Russian money is why he wont release his taxes. Obama noted yesterday how Trump gets good press in Russia and today Trump was being asked about his previous statements that seem pro Putin. If the DNC weren't going on now, this would be bigger news.  The question is, will the media forget and move on to the next thing next week?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

Well yes, because most Americans are pro-Russian. Obama wasn't wrong, he was right-the Cold War is over. Our party is getting in line with the times (finally!) on foreign policy, while Obama seems to be reversing the course midstream.

[ag]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

Well yes, because most Americans are pro-Russian.

Whereas most Russians are anti-American. Passionately so. You really take "loving your enemies" a bit too far. I should say, in a Lindberghianly fashion.

[Ebsy]

The experts have pretty much unanimously said it was the Russians. I haven't seen a single competing theory.

[Dereich]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

Well yes, because most Americans are pro-Russian.

Where are you getting this? Gallup says otherwise:

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

Well yes, because most Americans are pro-Russian.

Whereas most Russians are anti-American. Passionately so. You really take "loving your enemies" a bit too far. I should say, in a Lindberghianly fashion.

I like Russia. I want detente. And I want them to keep the Crimea too. Just as long as they stay out of our hemisphere and the Pacific. Make of that what you will.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

So is the Cold War still over or is Putin still the next Hitler? The Democrats keep changing every four years, I can't keep up .

It's not like the GOP is any more consistent right now. Four years ago Romney was calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat and now we have the most pro-Russian candidate since Henry Wallace.

Well yes, because most Americans are pro-Russian.

Where are you getting this? Gallup says otherwise:

I'm speaking more in theory; they don't like Russia, because most grew up in Cold War America. Most Americans would have a very negative opinion of Libya too, even though Qaddaffi is gone. You don't have to like or trust Russia to know that we need to work with them.

[Ebsy]

That guys is pretty selectively ignoring evidence that points towards the Russians.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Deleted my previous post, which Ebsy was replying to,  because the quote in it was making claims that don't appear to be true and I don't want to repeat misinformation. (This whole thing is screwed up enough already.)

That guys is pretty selectively ignoring evidence that points towards the Russians.

Did some more digging, and you're right. And I'm wrong. Here's a blog post (endorsed by security guru Bruce Schneier) outlining a pretty damning case.

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack

It's not just the usual crew of intelligence flaks, it's many credible IT security organizations and individuals.

Holy crap. The Russians really are trying to get Trump elected. I'm really having trouble believing it, but it seems to be true. (The leaked emails do seem to be real through, which really doesn't help.)

Can we pass on both these candidates, and get a new election with new ones? I'll even take Kaine vs. Pence.